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Radiohead's Thom Yorke performing with Atoms for Peace in 2013 [Henry Laurisch / Wikipedia]

Award-winning film director Ken Loach and Roger Waters have joined Palestinians and activists in responding to comments made by Thom Yorke in defence of Radiohead’s scheduled show in Tel Aviv on July 19th. Yorke described approaches made to the band on behalf of the Palestinian movement for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS), and the boycott movement as a whole, as “divisive”, “extremely upsetting” and “an extraordinary waste of energy” in an interview last Friday with Rolling Stone.

Read More: Radiohead: BDS campaign is an ‘extraordinary waste of energy’

Yorke’s comments follow an open letter to Radiohead urging them to cancel the planned show in Tel Aviv, signed by artists including Thurston Moore, Ken Loach, Maxine Peake, Roger Waters, and Young Fathers, as well as anti-apartheid veteran Desmond Tutu. The letter called on Radiohead to “do what artists did in South Africa’s era of oppression: stay away, until apartheid is over.”

In a message posted on Monday by Artists for Palestine UK, whose pledge to uphold the cultural boycott of Israel has been signed by more than 1200 UK-based artists, Ken Loach replied: “Thom’s is a simple choice: will he stand with the oppressor or the oppressed?”

Roger Waters said in a statement to Rolling Stone that he has “made every effort to engage with [Yorke] personally, and would still like to have the conversation”. Waters added: “Today is the 50th anniversary of the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Fifty years living under military occupation. Fifty years for a people with no civil rights. Fifty years of no recourse to the law. Fifty years of apartheid.”

Thom Yorke had told Rolling Stone that BDS activism does “not encourag[e] dialogue”. But Seamus O’Brolchain of Radiohead Fans for Palestine replied in an open letter to Yorke, “We sent you letters in the post, we politely tried to hand them to a band member at a public event, we called your agents and your publicists, and you ignored us. Not even an acknowledgement, nothing at all. We tried to open a dialogue and it was you who refused.”

Also responding in a statement, Artists for Palestine UK said: “Palestinians who read Yorke’s comments will wonder if he knows anything at all about their dispossession and forced exile, and what it’s like to live under military occupation. He doesn’t mention the Palestinians other than to say guitarist Jonny Greenwood has ‘Palestinian friends’. A lot of us do, Thom. That doesn’t mean we think it’s okay to play a 40,000-strong stadium built on the ruins of a Palestinian village.”

Read More: Fans try to rock Radiohead’s conscience

Ben Jamal, Director of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign said: “It is saddening that Thom Yorke feels patronised by the union of fellow musicians and Palestinian civil society respectfully asking the band not to cross the picket line. He makes no mention of the reason why – an entrenched apartheid system and an illegal occupation of East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza that entered its 51st year today.”

A spokesperson for the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), a founding member of the Palestinian BDS National Committee, commented: “Just as progressive artists boycotted Sun City in the past, they are called upon to boycott Tel Aviv to avoid whitewashing Israel’s system of occupation and apartheid and its denial of Palestinian rights.”

“Thom Yorke got one thing right: boycotts called for by oppressed communities struggling for their rights are indeed ‘divisive.’ In the Montgomery Bus boycott, the Delano Grape Farmers boycott, the South African anti-apartheid boycott, among others, those who continued business-as-usual with the oppressors were set apart from those who chose to stand on the right side of history, with the rights of the oppressed. Where does Radiohead see itself?”

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  • ThisIsPalestine

    So presumably if Radiohead played a concert in Gaza, that would equate to an endorsement of all of the Hamas government’s policies, including their rocket attacks and executions without trial?

    • Hernan Tasies

      Hamas was enabled by Israel in the 80s to isolate the secular/nationalist PLO and to divide Gaza from the West Bank politically. Divide and conquer bullshit: Israel has made it clear, it will continue to drag its knuckles and engage in its usual savagery whether the Palestinians are represented by Hamas or Mother Teresa.

      • Mike Abramov

        Rubbish – Hamas is Sunni and the PA are Shia…that is the reason why Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

        • Magpie

          Such a deep analysis LOL!

          • Mike Abramov

            Sometimes, less is more.

          • Magpie

            ….and sometimes less exposes us as apologists for racism and colonialism.

          • Mike Abramov

            …and sometimes you left-wingers cannot see the wood for the trees. The intransigence of the Palestinian leaders at the negotiating table, the lack of condemnation of the suicide bombers. The shelling of Israeli towns, not settlements, by Hamas and the mumblings of Bar, J. Tonge and David Ward stating that; ‘if I lived in Gaza, I too could become a suicide bomber’. OK, now you put yourself in front of a Jerusalem stabber and tell me you would be happy to martyr yourself for your beliefs.

          • Blokeabout

            .אם הייתי פלסטיני בגיל המתאים, הייתי נכנס בשלב מסוים לאחד מארגוני הטרור
            Ehud Barak
            Translation: If I were a Palestinian at the right age, I would have joined one of the terrorist organizations at
            a certain stage.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why is the Ashkenazi not back home in Lithuania, Poland, Hungary …?

            Neil Gaiman:

            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

            replace * with .

          • Mike Abramov

            You are very confused aren’t you. Only in your mind is there a 0% of Ashkenazi DNA. Go back and do some more research. not guess work

          • Alex Malinow

            You do realise that the colonialist system was in most cases better than what has happened after?
            Of course, freedom is also freedom to commit crimes and rage wars against other people.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Palestinians = 100% Sunni.

          You = 100% an idiot

          http://www*pewforum*org/files/2009/10/Shiarange*pdf

          Repalce * with .

          • Mike Abramov

            YAWN!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Idiot … where did you get the idea that Palestinians were Shia? Why not give me your source? Of course, you won’t, because there is no source, you just cooked it up in your deluded brain.

          • Mike Abramov

            My source was you. Check your records.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I do not know that Palestinians are totally Sunni?
            Why would I not know that?

            As of 2011 Shia Muslims

            Afghanistan
            Population: 28,513,677
            Percent Shia Muslim: 19%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 80%

            Algeria
            Population: 32,129,324
            Percent Shia Muslim: –
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 99%

            Azerbaijan
            Population: 7,868,385
            Percent Shia Muslim: 67%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 29%

            Bahrain
            Population: 677,886
            Percent Shia Muslim: 70%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 30%

            Egypt
            Population: 76,117,421
            Percent Shia Muslim: –
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 90%

            Iran
            Population: 69,018,924
            Percent Shia Muslim: 90%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 9%

            Iraq
            Population: 25,374,691
            Percent Shia Muslim: 63%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 34%

            Jordan
            Population: 5,611,202
            Percent Shia Muslim: 2%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 92%

            Kuwiat
            Population: 2,257,549
            Percent Shia Muslim: 25%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 60%

            Lebanon
            Population: 3,777,218
            Percent Shia Muslim: 36%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 22%

            Libya
            Population: 5,631,585
            Percent Shia Muslim: –
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 97%

            Morocco
            Population: 32,209,801
            Percent Shia Muslim: –
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 99%

            Oman
            Population: 2,903,165
            Percent Shia Muslim: 2%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 21%

            Pakistan
            Population: 159,196,336
            Percent Shia Muslim: 20%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 77%

            Palestinian Territory
            Population: 3,152,361
            Percent Shia Muslim: –
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 95%

            Qatar
            Population: 840,290
            Percent Shia Muslim: 14%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 86%

            Saudi Arabia
            Population: 25,795,938
            Percent Shia Muslim: 5%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 95%

            Sudan
            Population: 39,148,162
            Percent Shia Muslim: –
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 70%

            Syria
            Population: 18,016,874
            Percent Shia Muslim: 13%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 74%

            Tunisia
            Population: 9,974,722
            Percent Shia Muslim: –
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 98%

            Turkey
            Population: 66,893,918
            Percent Shia Muslim: 15%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 85%

            U.A.E.
            Population: 2,523,915
            Percent Shia Muslim: 16%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 80%

            Yemen
            Population: 20,024,867
            Percent Shia Muslim: 36%
            Percent Sunni Muslim: 63%

          • Mike Abramov

            Thank you.

          • Alex Malinow

            Last time I check Palestinians were 80% Muslim 20% Christian. However, your beloved Muslims effectively expelled Christians from their ancient land.

      • Eduardo Pinha

        Of course the Palestinians have to blame someone else, but never themselves.

        • Blokeabout

          Look up Jewish Voice for Peace 6 minute video. It’s a good start.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Yea, they need to blame themselves for being born on the
          land that snow-white Ashkenazi from Lithuania, Poland, Hungary …
          salivates after.

          Neil Gaiman:

          “According to 23andme, genetically I am
          99.6% Ashkenazi,
          0.3% unspecified European,
          0.1% East Asian. ”
          Total European = 99.9%
          Total Middle East = 0.0%
          https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

          replace * with .

    • Helen4Yemen

      Why is the Ashkenazi on Palestinian land?
      Is it his grandmother’s land?

      Neil Gaiman:

      “According to 23andme, genetically I am
      99.6% Ashkenazi,
      0.3% unspecified European,
      0.1% East Asian. ”
      Total European = 99.9%
      Total Middle East = 0.0%
      https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

      replace * with .

  • Ro Molloy

    Israel today maintains an entrenched system of institutionalised discrimination against Palestinians in the occupied territory – repression that extends far beyond any security rationale. So say Human Rights Watch. It’s time to end the occupation.

    • Harvela

      Rugby appears to be your strong suit. Complexities of Middle East, not so much.

    • Alex Malinow

      End of occupation, as it has happenned already in Gaza, and…?
      Without changes on Palestine side there is nothing one can do next.

      • Ro Molloy

        The occupation in Gaza has turned into an open prison. Israeli treatment of Palestinians is wrong on all fronts. Nothing will change until the Israeli attitude changes. Treating people as second class citizens is not a way forward or the actions of a progressive, modern democracy.

        • Alex Malinow

          Israeli attitude cannot change as long as 1.5 billion people are subject to warlike propaganda against Israel.
          The first step must be from Muslim countries, Palestinians will follow. Only in such a circumstances Israel will be forced to improve their attitude towards Palestinians.

          • Ro Molloy

            The warlike propaganda is a reflection of Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. It’s facts not propaganda. Who is occupying who? Who imprisons who without trial? Who builds illegal settlements contrary to international law? Israeli treatment of other human beings is nothing short of a disgrace. That attitude needs to change for Israel to have a successful ‘normal’ future

          • Alex Malinow

            The problem is that Palestinians have no moral superiority. We have situation, where both sides are bad. Moreover, as peaceful solution is unreal, I see no point of Israel of changing their attitudes if it could endanger their security.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why did the white man known as the Ashkenazi felt entitled to Palestine?

            Is it his grandmother’s land?

            Neil Gaiman:

            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048 replace * with .

          • Alex Malinow

            This is kind of racism. If you are born in some country and citizen, you are entitled for this country.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Were the British born on Kenyan soil entitled to be on that land forever? The Ashkenazi is on that land only because of force and for no other reason.

          • Helen4Yemen

            They can go home, can’t they?

            Alan Dershowitz DNA
            98. 5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern
            http://www*pbs*org/weta/finding-your-roots/files/2014/11/AlanDershowitzDNA*jpg

            replace * with .

          • Alex Malinow

            Nope. Their home is in Israel and it is good this was. Muslims shall stop financing Palestinians terrorirtss and Palestine shall sign peace treaty with Isreal. The problem is that peace will force Palestinians to emigrate.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why must the Arabs be burdened with the West’s Jewry?

          • Alex Malinow

            Israel has no normal future unless it is recognised by 1.5 billion Muslims.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why is this white man on that land is the question?
            If Germany did something bad to this white man,
            then let Germany give them a piece of land. Two
            white Europeans had a fight and one of these
            white Europeans got transferred to Arab land.
            Why? Is it his grandmother’s land?

            Neil Gaiman:

            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

            replace * with .

          • Alex Malinow

            This is very old history and no meaning right now. There is no other home for Israelis then Israel.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Is it not like saying there is no other home for the British other than Kenya? What is wrong with their Poland, Lithuania, Hungary, Germany? The sun does rise and set on those lands, does it not? The land is fertile enough that it produces enough grains and fruits, does it not? Palestine is not their grandmother’s land, Lithuania, Poland … are.

          • Alex Malinow

            They are semites. Semites are from Middle East. They do not belong in Europe. Arabs and Jews are very similar and have similiar religions.

          • Helen4Yemen

            DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenazi have no trace of Middle East ancestry, zero, zilch! Here are 10 samples that look almost identical because the Ashkenazi are a closely knit group that had been breeding among its own members for centuries. The Ashkenazi is in fact one of the purest and whitest of any European groups at a stunning level of 99.9% European.

            Name………………………. European……. Middle Eastern
            1) Alex Feinberg…………… 99.8% …………… 0%
            2) Dershowitz DNA………. 99.9% …………….0%
            3) Rabbi Hammerman…,,, 99.9% …………… 0%
            4) Tony Kushner…………… 99.9% …………….0%
            5) Joseph Cohen………….. 99.8% …………… 0%
            6) Bill Maher…………………..99.9% ……………..0%
            7) Neil Gaiman……………… 99.9% …………… .0%
            8) Jill Sobule………….. …….99.9% ……………..0%
            9) Alisa R Doctoroff…….. ..98.0% …………….. 0%
            10) A.J. Jacobs………………99.9% ……………. 0%

            Source:

            https://disqus*com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

            replace * with .

          • Alex Malinow

            This is completely false Information. And even if it were true, which isnt, your approach is pure racism. There is no place for racism, so it is time you stop this racist rant.

        • Alex Malinow

          On the other hand Gaza shows clearly what will happen if Israel withdrawn from West Bank.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why do you think the British, the Italians, the French left the Middle East?
            Why does this white man known as the Ashkenazi feel entitled to that land?
            Is it his grandmother’s land?

            Neil Gaiman:

            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048 replace * with .

        • Alex Malinow

          Palestinian politicians are not acting in the interest of Palestinians, but people you finance them to fight Israel. Change in attitude of Israel has no influence, unless the sponsors change their minds.

      • Helen4Yemen

        The French, the British, the Italians, the Crusaders all went home and so can
        the snow-white Ashkenazi.

        Neil Gaiman:

        “According to 23andme, genetically I am
        99.6% Ashkenazi,
        0.3% unspecified European,
        0.1% East Asian. ”
        Total European = 99.9%
        Total Middle East = 0.0%
        https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048 replace * with .

  • Pemba Sherpa

    Calling on Radio Heads to respect boycott on the only apartheid regime in the Middle East, Israel, was a waste of time.
    Died in Tel Aviv. RIP Radio Head.

    • Mike Abramov

      Not one person is able to give me a logical explanation of the word apartheid. Israel is secular, tolerant and pluralist.

      If you are referring to the West Bank the Arabs turned down the return of this patch of land twice. In 1968 and 1993. The problem is not ‘apartheid’ policy, the problem is that the Palestinians want the Jews out of the ME.

      I wish Radiohead a wonderful trip to the only democracy in the ME…and Tel Aviv is a lovely city.

      • John the Savage

        Israel is not a democracy. Not for Jews and not for the native Palestinians. It is certainly not tolerant, and not very secular. It is apartheid, if they assert Israeli law on Palestinians, yet fail to offer them full Israeli citizenship. And the violence Israel perpetrates on the Palestinians on behalf of the settlers and Jewish pride is worse than anything apartheid-era South Africa ever did.

        • Alex Malinow

          Israel is better democracy than any other country in the region. The most tolerant and secular country in the region. Apartheid is original idea of Islam how to deal with different religions, so to abolish it, Muslims must have secularised first. Violence is on all sides.

          • John the Savage

            You have not contradicted a word I said.

          • Alex Malinow

            The only move forward is to civilise the Arab side of the conflict.

          • John the Savage

            Ah, I see where you’re coming from. Because civilizing the savage natives really worked out well in the 1800’s, didn’t it?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Give me one good reason why the snow-white Ashkenazi is on that land?

          • Alex Malinow

            They are born there?

          • Alex Malinow

            Hope it will work well in 21st century.

          • Helen4Yemen

            How about the ‘civilized Ashkenazi” goes back to his civilized word where he came from?

          • Alex Malinow

            People born in Israel shall stay in Israel. We can take some scientists, but not 3 million of Orthodoxes.

          • Alex Malinow

            They had come from Israel, spend some time in Europe and returned already to their land. Stop dreaming. Find something creative to do in your life.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why is the white man known as the Ashkenazi on that land that
            he now calls “Israel”? Is it his grandmother’s land?

          • Alex Malinow

            Yes, definitely. Moreover, they are born here.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Middle East = 0%
            Europe = 99.9%

            Which one is their ancestral home?

            Neil Gaiman:

            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

          • Helen4Yemen

            1,000,000 French who were born and raised in Algeria had to move out of Algeria in a matter of days in 1962 after colonizing that land for 132 years. Palestine is no Ashkenazi grandmother’s land, is it … at 0% ancestry as confirmed by DNA?

          • Alex Malinow

            The second is not true. Regarding removal of French natives from Algeria, why do you believe it shall repeat? Decolonisation is over. We are in new times. Nobody would allow removal of Jews, which associate itslef with Holocaust. Israel is there to last. Live with it.

          • Alex Malinow

            Maybe to bring more democracy, progress and seclarim to the region?

        • Mike Abramov

          Mr. Savage – 1.5 million Arabs are Israeli 2,000,000 million Arabs call themselves Palestinians. Why? Because they will not accept that life has to move on. So, they form the PLO, Hamas, Al Fatah et al, in the hope that one day there will be a massive Jihad and the Jews will be kicked out. This is a dream, not a reality.

          I care very much for the plight of the Palestinians because they are brain-washed by leaders who care not for them, but for their own pockets.

          Questions. Where did Mahmoud Abbas find $13,000,000 to build a palace in Ramallah?

          • Blokeabout

            Let me know where you live, I’ll move in. But don’t worry, life will go on. I’ll even let you live in the basement 😉

          • Mike Abramov

            Believe me, where I live is a multi-religious, multi cultural mish-mosh of people. However, if you need a roof over your head, i will try and help you.

            Now let’s stop being sarcastic. This is the bottom line. The Arabs have never accepted the indignation of losing the war in 1948. How can 5 countries lose to one fledgling country?

          • Blokeabout

            Land theft causes indignation. A war over land is something Zionists had been preparing for 50 years before it began. Sarcasm ends when you start being honest.

          • Mike Abramov

            I disagree. May i remind you that the Jews did not invade Palestine at any time.The UN declaration was a peaceful request for a piece of land that would allow Jews to live without fear of pogroms, rape, murder and genocide. The area of land is minute compared to the remaining 22 Arab states.

            The land was never stolen. In 1948, it was the Arabs that invaded…and lost. This allowed the Jewish state to expand it’s borders by a few miles.

            It is interesting that you do not accuse the British or the Ottomans of the land theft of Palestine?

          • ZBA

            Great reply. I am impressed with your knowledge. Be well brother.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “The UN declaration was a peaceful request for a piece of land that would allow Jews to live without fear of pogroms, rape, murder and genocide.”

            So are you saying foreign people who face rape, murder, and genocide must arrive at Arab land?

            It looks like it did not take time for the victims to victimize the innocent Arabs:

            1) “The revised book is a double-edged sword. It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah [the pre-state defense force that was the precursor of the IDF] were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.
            2) In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg.”
            3) In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field – they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village – she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.
            4) “The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.
            5) “That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.”
            6) One of the revelations in the book is that on October 31, 1948, the commander of the Northern Front, Moshe Carmel, issued an order in writing to his units to expedite the removal of the Arab population. Carmel took this action immediately after a visit by Ben-Gurion to the Northern Command in Nazareth. There is no doubt in my mind that this order originated with Ben-Gurion. Just as the expulsion order for the city of Lod, which was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, was issued immediately after Ben-Gurion visited the headquarters of Operation Dani [July 1948].”
            7) “From April 1948, Ben-Gurion is projecting a message of transfer. There is no explicit order of his in writing, there is no orderly comprehensive policy, but there is an atmosphere of [population] transfer. The transfer idea is in the air. The entire leadership understands that this is the idea. The officer corps understands what is required of them. Under Ben-Gurion, a consensus of transfer is created.”
            8) “Of course Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist.”
            9) “Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here.”
            10) That is what Zionism faced. A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads.

          • Alex Malinow

            700 000? Now there 2 millions Arabs in Israel and over 3 millions in Gaza and West Bank.
            His plans clearly failed.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “The area of land is minute compared to the remaining 22 Arab states.”

            And how much land does snow-white Ashkenazi require from the Arabs>

          • Mike Abramov

            Helen – would you do me the courtesy of not making RACIST comments on this site. I have NEVER used racism in my rebuttals. I would expect an intelligent person like you to do the same.

          • Helen4Yemen

            No Ashkenazi grandmother’s ever lived on that land – ever!

            Jewish land ownership in Palestine of total area of 26,323,000 dunums

            1882 ………..22,500 …… 0.1%
            1900 ……. .218,000 …… 0.8%
            1914 ………418,000 …… 1.6%
            1927 …….. 865,000 …… 3.2%
            1936 ….. 1,231,000 ….. 4.7%
            1945 ….. 1,588,365 …….6.0%
            1947 ….. 1,734,000 …… 6.6%

          • Alex Malinow

            Give us Palestinian land ownership and you would be surprised. Palestinians didn’t register land claims in order to avoid taxation. They were no owners of the land.

          • Alex Malinow

            1937 Report of the Palestine Royal Commission—though, for lack of space, we can quote but the briefest passages. In Chapter 9, para. 43 the Report quotes an eye-witness account of the condition of the Maritime Plain in 1913:

            The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts . . . no orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached Yabna village. . . . Not in a single village in all this area was water used for irrigation. . . . Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen. . . . The ploughs used were of wood. . . . The yields were very poor. . . . The sanitary conditions in the village were horrible. Schools did not exist. . . . The rate of infant mortality was very high. . . .

            The area north of Jaffa . . . consisted of two distinctive parts. . . . The eastern part, in the direction of the hills, resembled in culture that of the Gaza-Jaffa area. . . . The western part, towards the sea, was almost a desert. . . . The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.

          • Helen4Yemen

            We won’t accuse snow-white Ashkenzi as soon as he vacates Arab land as the British and the Ottomans have done. Palestine is not your grandmother’s land, is it, goddamned leeches?

          • Blokeabout

            Look up Breaking the Silence. In the testimonies of IDF soldiers you will find how they imposed curfews on Palestinians so Jews could break in Palestinian shops, change the keys and simply take over. This was done thousands of times and Palestinians had no recourse to their livelihood being taken away. There’s so much you’re unwilling to face. But I understand why, it’s a human condition. Through military laws, through racist laws, through intimidation, Zionists have been stealing Palestinian property for almost a hundred years. But you’re used to it so you don’t notice.

          • Alex Malinow

            “Zionists have been stealing Palestinian property for almost a hundred years.”

            This sentence sounds dumb.

            The Jews had been buying land in Palestine even before, but it could hardly be described as stealing. I believe you are simply racist.

          • Blokeabout

            I believe you’re simply uninformed (a more optimistic assessment). Look up Peace Now for the latest numbers of “Israeli settlements built on private Palestinian land”.

          • Alex Malinow

            Those settlements are not 100 years old. The settlement policy is…just googled…40 years old. You are unifromed or straight lier.

          • Mike Abramov

            Ok – what we have here is an interpretation of what you have read.

            ‘In the testimonies of IDF soldiers you will find how they imposed curfews on Palestinians so Jews could break in Palestinian shops, change the keys and simply take over’.

            One can say that the curfews were a way of stifling Palestinian reprisals. You are saying that the Israeli went in to the shops and stole goods.

            This is war my friend. Both sides have their propaganda machines in full working order. I am do not endorse crime, but if your allegations are true and Breaking the Silence, which I have just looked at, is unbiased, I will agree with you. However, I have looked at the research of Wikipedia. Breaking the Silence is a left-wing NGO. That shatters your argument.

            Secondly, in every war since 1914, there have been moral objectors to war and joining the army. At least in Israel one can talk publicly about their role in the army. Where else in the ME can you do that.

            Finally, on Friday an Israeli police officer was stabbed to death by a Palestinian. She was 23 years old. How do you feel about that?

          • Blokeabout

            I’ve read your past postings and it is glaringly obvious that you commit great effort in ignoring a basic fact:
            The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law, because the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 prohibits countries from moving population into territories occupied in a war.[1][2][3][4][5] Israel maintains that they are consistent with international law[6] because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War.[7] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply.[8][9]
            The police officer is another symptom of an illegal occupation. As long as you focus on symptoms you will take the case of the justified aggressor or the victim. Ethically however, one must address the cause. How do you feel about that?

          • Mike Abramov

            Sir – Ok, let’s do a deal. I will ask the Israeli government to pull out of the West Bank because they are ‘breaking the law’. That will allow Hezbollah to come in from the north and Hamas from the south. There will be gallons of blood-shed while they fight over the territory, Israel will be blamed for pulling out of the West Bank leaving the Palestinians at the behest of the terrorists. That is what you are saying, isn’t it.

            ‘The police officer is another symptom of an illegal occupation’. Are you serious?

            Go down your road, stab a totally innocent person and then tell the courts that you killed because you hated their politics.Your defense will fail badly. Since when was murder a justification for a difference in politics?

            Shame on you.

          • Blokeabout

            I’m not justifying anything. The woman’s murder was properly addressed and the perpetrators paid the price. But wait for it. In addition, another 200,000 paid the price also when their right to visit relatives during Ramadan was revoked. Wait once again. Relatives of the murderers will have their house demolished.
            But to you this is never enough. But by all means, never ask the question what motivation was there to commit the crime? It has worked so well in the past, hasn’t it? A killing occurs and Netanyahu announces additional settlement building in Palestinian land as a response. A killing occurs, and a million people get imprisoned by a permit system in place to violently oppress a nation. Any act of resistance is met with brutality, whether planting a tree without a permit or building a room in area B, let alone area C where Israel slowly steals every inch. Did you know that 60% of the West Bank is out of bounds to Palestinians who own the land? Did you know that only one day a year are the Palestinian farmers allowed to collect the olives or tend to their fields?
            You have yet to learn the meaning of shame, lest your delusion of integrity crumbles. You do justify these continuing crimes of occupation using absurd arguments such as an imminent threat of invasion. Is that what happened when Israel, after 20 years of illegally occupying southern Lebanon?
            Believing your own lies makes you one.

          • Mike Abramov

            Young man – I would appreciate that your replies firstly addressed my rebuttal and that you refrain from being so patronising.

            It never ceases to amaze me that the participants in this discussion platform who make the most insiduous remarks use nom-de-plumes and have no photo, as you do.

            I will now address your reply. Your comments as: ‘A killing occurs, and a million people get imprisoned by a permit system in place to violently oppress a nation. Any act of resistance is met with brutality,’ Well, talk about exageration. Now, stop being so emotional and try and be a little more rational. A murder has occurred in broad daylight. You state that you can ‘understand’ the killers motives. May I suggest that you look at the history of N.Ireland 1968-1992 and tell me that you would have been a member of the IRA.

            Lebanon is the head-quarters of Hezbollah. Hezbollah started shelling N. Israel which resulted in the 1982 invasion. Lebanon also has over 50 laws preventing Palestinians from travelling or working in certain professions…I think you call this apartheid?

            Finally, it is simply the intransigence of the Palestinian leaders that has led to this stale-mate situation. Given the chance, the Arab world, had they won any of the wars against Israel, would have colonised Palestine. There would a S. Syria and a N. Egypt in Palestine….and you would have said nothing. Right?

          • Blokeabout

            When it comes to Palestinians, the American Jewish establishment is in the ignorance business. The average American synagogue has never hosted a Palestinian speaker. The average “pro-Israel” activist has never read a book by a Palestinian author. The American Jewish philanthropists who fund Birthright send thousands of young American Jews to Israel each year, on a program that systematically excludes the voices of 50% of the people who live under Israeli control.
            But that’s not the worst part. The worst part is that for major American Jewish organizations, ignorance is an export. It is not enough that American Jewish leaders never hear from Palestinians themselves — they do their best to ensure that American politicians don’t, either.
            According to The Israel Project, it is not hateful to hold millions of West Bank Palestinians for 50 years as non-citizens, without due process, free movement or the right to vote for the government that controls their lives. It is hateful to criticize Israel for doing so.
            The deep, dark secret of the American Jewish establishment is that its leaders are not equipped to respond to smart Palestinian critics of Israel. They’re not familiar enough with the realities of Palestinian life under Israeli control. So having built itself a cocoon that shuts out Palestinian voices, the American Jewish establishment insists that Congress live inside that cocoon too. Because if the cocoon cracks, American politicians, and the American public, will realize how intellectually weak the American Jewish establishment actually is.
            When it comes to Israel, the organized American Jewish community would rather bully than think. That’s what happens when power corrupts. It doesn’t only make you immoral. It makes you dumb.
            Peter Beinart

          • Mike Abramov

            I have referred to you as a young man in the past. My opinion remains the same. The diatribe above is not your voice.

            Show some maturity and reply with your thoughts not some one else.

          • Blokeabout

            Yes, I noted your condescending attitude. It’s simply another manifestation of the limited capacity to accept a reality you don’t want to hear from me or anyone else. Your identity is threatened at every turn which makes any kind of conversation futile. Your type is incapable of either compassion or empathy to the plight of Palestinians because you shield yourself in victimhood and self righteousness. It’s s much too common among Zionists and frankly I wished I had the time to help you open your eyes. A book I would recommend among the hundreds I’ve read in my “short” life is by Rich Forer, ‘Breakthrough, From Fear into Compassion” from a Zionist who discovers that life is only worth living in the service of others. But you don’t have to be Einstein to know that. He was an antizionist btw.

          • Mike Abramov

            OK – That’s enough.

            How dare you accuse me of a lack of compassion just because I am a Zionist. This is unacceptable and an absolute lie. Let me tell you something. I have a far better dialogue with Palestinians than with white members of the PSC.

            The white members of the PSC have been rude, threatening and arrogant. This is not about the Palestinians, this is about revolution. I have heard it all before.

            You have been brain-washed with the diatribe of BS that gushes out of the mouths of the PSC. Just because your banner is left-wing does not make you a better person than me. I can also confirm that the left-wing have a terrible record for ‘human-rights’. Read about China and the USSR

            However, I will read your book with an open mind. The last time I read a book by a senior advocate of the PSC, one Dr. Ghada Karmi, it was so full of inaccuracies and re-created history, I did not get passed page. 36.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Einstein was a devoted Zionist

            LETTER FROM EINSTEIN TO JAWAHARAL NEHRU

            June 13, 1947
            Letter to Jawaharal Nehru
            pm of the Indian Govt, New Delhi, India
            My dear Mr. Nehru:

            May I tell you of the deep emotion with which I read recently that the Indian Constituent Assembly has abolished untouchability? I know how large a part you have played in the various phases of India’s struggle for emancipation, and how grateful lovers of freedom must be to you, as well as to your great teacher, Mahatma Gandhi. Men everywhere felt freer and stronger because of the act of liberation which has taken place in India.

            I read that the curse of the pariah was about to be lifted from millions of Hindus in the very days when the attention of the world was fixed on the problem of another group of human beings who, like the untouchables, have been the victims of persecution and discrimination for centuries.

            Those with a sense of history-and I know how eloquently you have written on this them-could not fail to be aware of the dramatic coincidence by which the plea of the Jewish people for equality was being heard by the UN at the very time when a revolutionary measure of redemption was being passed in your country. And because you have been the consistent champion of the forces of political and economic enlightenment in the Orient, I address myself to you in regard to the rights of an ancient people whose roots are in the East.

            I should like to discuss only one problem with you-the ethical issues involved in the Zionist effort to recreate a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The legal aspects of the question, the precise commitments contained in the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate, are not the elements I propose to stress, though I appreciate their significance. I shall therefore not review a chapter of contemporary history with which you are familiar. But as a person to whom considerations of morality in international relations are not indifferent, I should like to dwell on the factors of justice and equality which are involved, and whose violation I would protest equally with you.

            Long before the emergency of Hitler, I made the cause of Zionism mine because through it I saw a means of correcting a flagrant wrong. I refer to the peculiar disability suffered by the Jewish people by which they were deprived of the opportunity to live on the same basis as other peoples. The bigotry of the chauvinists and racists, whose doctrines have brought so much evil to mankind, has always been alien to me. Were the vision of an international society, a true parliament of man, ever to be realized, I venture to say I should be among its most sympathetic supporters. But even in the interests of this ultimate ideal, the preliminary steps are surely the removal of the stigma of inferiority from every group and people in the world. The Jewish people alone has for centuries been in the anomalous position of being victimized and hounded as as people, though bereft of all the rights and protections which even the smallest people normally has. Jews have been persecuted as individuals; the Jewish people has been unable to develop fruitfully as a cultural and ethnic group. The spirit of the people as well as the bodies of its members have been assailed. Zionism offered the means of ending this discrimination. Through the return to the land to which they were bound by close historic ties, and, since the dispersion, hallowed in their daily prayers, Jews sought to abolish their pariah status among peoples.

            The Advent of Hitler underscored with a savage logic all the disastrous implications contained in the abnormal situation in which Jews found themselves. Millions of Jews perished extermination program cost my people, nor of the tragic plight of the survivors. India, I am sure, mourned not only for six million men, women and children killed in gas-chambers and crematoriums, but also for a civilization which permitted this horror to take place. And I believe that wherever men dream of justice and struggle for its presence, the cry of those who escaped from the Nazi chamel-house constitutes “invasion”.

            However, I shall not pretend to misunderstand the nature of Arab opposition. Though the Arab of Palestine has benefited physically and economically, he wants exclusive national sovereignty, such as enjoyed by the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Lebanon or Syria. It is a legitimate and natural desire, and justice would seem to call for its satisfaction. At the close of world war 1, 99% of the vast, underpopulated territories liberated from the Turks by the Allies were set aside for the national aspirations of the Arabs. Five independent Arab states have since been established in these territories.Only 1% was reserved for the Jewish people in the land of their origin. The decision which led to the proclamation of the Balfour Declaration was not arbitrary, nor the choice of territory capricious. It took into account the needs and aspirations of both Arab and Jew, and certainly, the lion’s share did not fall to the Jews. In the august scale of justice,which weighs need against need, there is not doubt as to whose is more heavy. The “small notch” in the land of their fathers, granted the Jewish people, somewhat redresses the balance.

            I believe there is still another factor which must weight heavily in any consideration of the Zionist case, namely what Jews have actually in Palestine, and the fashion of their accomplishment. I find profoundly gratifying the fact that the reconstruction of Palestine has taken not through the exploitation of native workers-the usual pattern of imperialism-but through the heroic toil of Jewish pioneers. The once malaria-ridden swamps, the stony mountain slopes, the salt shores of the Dead Sea, now fertile and blooming, are evidence of a creative impulse whose thwarting would make mankind, as well as Jew and Arab, the poorer. Jewish labor has created living space; it has made Palestine bigger, and the world richer. Nor can I ignore the new concepts of economic equality which Jewish workers have brought to the Middle East. Their network of flourishing cooperatives, their vigorous trade-union movement, are token of a social idealism which is an organic part of their striving for national regeneration. Through the force of this social vision, both Arab and Jew will go forward.

            I know that the rivalries of power politics and the egotism of petty nationalist appetites seek to stifle the glorious renaissance which has begun in Palestine. May I appeal to you, as the leader of a movement of social and national enfranchisement, to recognize in Zionism a similar movement whose realization will add to the peace and progress of the Orient. Free Jewish immigration to Palestine, and the right of the Jews to continue the upholding of their ancient homeland without artificial restrictions, will increase the sum of well being in the world. It is time to make an end to the ghetto status of Jews in Palestine, and to the pariah status of Jews among peoples. I trust that you, who so badly have struggled for freedom and justice, will place your great influence on behalf of the claim for justice made by the people who for so long and so dreadfully have suffered from its denial.

            Yours very sincerely,
            Albert Einstein

          • Helen4Yemen

            EINSTEIN WAS A ZIONIST

            Letter to the Editor
            Manchester Guardian
            12th October 1929

            It was with a wonderful enthusiasm and a deep sense of gratitude that the Jews, afflicted more than any other people by the chaos and horror of the war, obtained from Great Britain a pledge to support the re- etablishment of the Jewish national home in Palestine. The Jewish people, beset with a thousand physical wrongs and moral degradations, saw in the British promise the sure rock on which it could re-create a Jewish national life in Palestine, which, by its very existence as well as by its material and intellectual achievements, would give the Jewish masses, dispersed all over the world, a new sense of hope, dignity, and pride. Jews of all lands gave of their best in man-power and in material wealth in order to fund the inspiration that had kept the race alive through a martyrdom of centuries.

            Within a brief decade some £10,000,000 were raised by voluntary contributions, and 100,000 hand- picked Jews entered Palestine to redeem by their physical labour the almost derelict land. Deserts were irrigated, forests planted, swamps drained, and their crippling diseases subdued. A work of peace was created which, although still perhaps small in size, compelled the admiration of every observer. Has the rock on which we have built begun to shake? A considerable section of the British press now meets our aspirations with lack of understanding, with coldness, and with disfavour. What has happened? Arab mobs, organised and fanaticised by political intriguers working on the religious fury of the ignorant, attacked scattered Jewish settlements and murdered and plundered wherever no resistance was offered. In Hebron, the inmates of a rabbinical college, innocent youths who had never handled weapons in their lives, were butchered in cold blood; in Safed the same fate befell aged rabbis and their wives and children. Recently some Arabs raided a Jewish orphan settlement where the pathetic remnants of the great Russian pogroms had found a haven of refuge.

            Is it not then amazing that an orgy of such primitive brutality upon a peaceful population has been utilised by a certain scion of the British press for a campaign of propaganda directed, not against the authors and instigators of these brutalities, but against their victims? No less disappointing is the amazing degree of ignorance of the character and the achievement of Jewish re- construction in Palestine displayed in many organs of the press.

            A decade has elapsed since the policy of the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine was officially endorsed by the British Government with the almost unanimous support of the entire British press and of the leaders of all political parties. On the basis of that official recognition, which was approved by almost every civilised Government, and which found its legal embodiment in the Palestine Mandate, Jews have sent their sons and daughters and have given their voluntary offerings for this great work of peaceful reconstruction. I think it may be stated without fear of exaggeration that, except for the war efforts of the European nations, our generation has seen no national effort of such spiritual intensity and such heroic devotion as that which the Jews have shown during the last ten years in favour of a work of peace in Palestine.

            When one travels through the country, as I had the good fortune to do a few years ago, and sees young pioneers, men and women of magnificent intellectual and moral calibre, breaking stones and building roads under the blazing rays of the Palestinian sun; when one sees flourishing agricultural settlements shooting up from the long deserted soil under the intensive efforts of the Jewish settlers; when one sees the development of water power and the beginnings of an industry adapted to the needs and possibilities of the country, and, above all, the growth of an educational sysem, ranging from the kindergarten to the university, in the language of the Bible – what observer, whatever his origin or faith, can fail to be sezied by the magic of such amazing achievement and of such almost superhuman devotion? Is it not bewildering that, after all this, brutal massacres by a fanaticised mob can destroy all appreciation of the Jewish effort in Palestine and lead to a demand for the repeal of the solemn pledges of official support and protection? Zionism has a two-fold basis. It arose on the one hand from the fact of Jewish suffering.

            It is not my intention to paint here a picture of the Jewish martyrdom through-out the ages, which has arisen from the homelessness of the Jew. Even to day there is an intensity of Jewish suffering throughout the world of which the public opinion of the civilised West never obtains a comprehensive view. In the whole of Eastern Europe the danger of physical attack against the individual Jew is constantly present. The degrading disabilities of old have been transformed into restrictions of an economic character, while restrictive measures in the educational sphere, such as the “numerus clausus” at the universities, seek to suppress the Jew in the world of intellectual life. There is, I am sure, no need to stress at this time of day that there is a Jewish problem in the Wetern world also. How many non-Jews have any insight into the spiritual suffering and distortion, the degradation and moral dis-integration engendered by the mere fact of the homelessness of a gifted and sensitive people? What under-lies all these phenomena is the basic fact, which the first Zionists recognised with profound intuition, that the Jewish problem cannot be solved by the assimilation of the individual Jew to his environment. Jewish individuality is too strong to be effaced by such assimilation, and too conscious to be ready for such self effacement.

            It is, of course, clear that it will never be possible to transplant to Palestine anything more than a minority of the Jewish people, but it has for a long time been the deep conviction of enlightened students of the problem, Jews and non-Jews alike, that the establishment of a National Home for the Jewish people in Palestine would raise the status and the dignity of those who would remain in their native countries, and would thereby materially assist in improving the relations between non-Jews and Jews in general. But Zionism springs from an even deeper motive than Jewish suffering. It is rooted in a Jewish spiritual tradition, whose maintenance and development are for Jews the raison d’etre of their continued existence as a community.

            In the re-establishment of the Jewish nation in the ancient home of the race, where Jewish spiritual values could again be developed in a Jewish atmosphere, the most enlightened representatives of Jewish individuality see the essential preliminary to the regeneration of the race and the setting free of its spiritual creativeness. It is by these tendencies and aspirations that the Jewish reconstruction in Palestine is informed. Zionism is not a movement inspired by chauvinism or by a sacro egoismo. I am convinced that the great majority of the Jews would refuse to support a movement of that kind. Nor does Zionism aspire to divest anyone in Palestine of any rights or possessions he may enjoy. On the contrary, we are convinced that we shall be able to establish a friendly and constructive co- operation with the kindred Arab race which will be a blessing to both sections of the population materially and spiritually.

            During the whole of the work of Jewish colonisation not a single Arab has been dispossessed; every acre of land acquired by the Jews has been bought at a price fixed by buyer and seller. Indeed, every visitor has testified to the enormous improvement in the economic and sanitary standard of the Arab population resulting from the Jewish colonisation. Friendly personal relations between the Jewish settlements and the neighbouring Arab villages have been formed throughout the country. Jewish and Arab workers have associated in the trade unions of the Palestine railways, and the standard of living of the Arabs has been raised. Arab scholars can be found working in the great library of the Hebrew University, while the study of the Arabic language and civilisation forms one of the chief subjects of study at this University. Arab workmen have participated in the evening courses conducted at the Jewish Technical Institute at Haifa. The native population has come to realise in an ever growing measure the benefits, economic, sanitary and intellectual, which the Jewish work of reconstruction has bestowed on the whole country and an its inhabitants. Indeed, one of the most comforting features in the present crisis has been the reports of personal protection afforded by Arabs to their Jewish fellow-citizens against the attacks of the fanaticised mob.

            I submit, therefore, that the Zionist movement is entitled, in the name of its higher objectives and on the strength of the support which has been promised to it most solemnly by the civilised world, to demand that its unprecedented reconstructive effort – carried out in a country which still largely lies fallow, and in which, by methods of intensive cultivation such as the Jews have applied, room can be found for hundreds of thousands of new settlers without detriment to the native population – shall not be defeated by a small clique of agitators, even if they wear the garb of ministers of the Islamic religion. Does public opinion in Great Britain realise that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who is the centre of an the trouble, and speaks so loudly in the name of all the Moslems, is a young political adventurer of not much more, I understand, than thirty years of age, who in 1920 was sentenced to several years’ imprisonment for his complicity in the riots of that year, but was pardoned under the terms of an amnesty? The mentality of this man may be gauged from a recent statement he gave to an interviewer accusing me, of all men, of having demanded the rebuilding of the Temple on the site of the Mosque of Omar. Is it tolerable that, in a country where ignorant fanaticism can so easily be incited to rapine and murder by interested agitators, so utterly irresponsible and unscrupulous a politician should be enabled to continue to exercise his evil influence, garbed in an the spiritual sanity of religion, and invested with all the temporal powers that this involves in an Eastern country?

            The realisation of the great aims embodied in the Mandate for Palestine depends to a very large degree on the public opinion of Great Britain, on its press, and on its statesmen. The Jewish people is entitled to expect that its work of peace shall receive the active and benevolent support of the Mandatory Power. It is entitled to demand that those found guilty in the recent riots shall be adequately punished, and that the men in whose hands is laid the responsible task of the adminisration of a country of such a unique past and such unique potentialities for the future shall be so instgrued as to ensure that this great trust bestowed by the civilised world on the Mandatory Power, is carried out with vision and courage in the daily tasks of routine administration. Jews do not wish to live in the land of their fathers under the protection of British bayonets: they come as friends of the kindred Arab nation.

            What they expect of Great Britain is that it shall promote the growth of friendly relations between Jews and Arabs, that it shall not tolerate poisonous propaganda, and that it shall create such organs of security in the country as will aford adequate protection to life and peaceful labour. The Jews will never abandon the work of reconstruction which they have undertaken. The reaction of all Jews, Zionist and non-Zionist alike, to the events of the last few weeks has shown this clearly enough. But it lies in the hands of the Mandatory Power materially to further or materially to hamper the progress of the work. It is of fundamental importance that British public opinion and the Governments of Great Britain and of Palestine shall feel themselves responsible for this great trust, not because Great Britain once undertook this responsibility in legal form, but because they are deeply convinced of the significance and importance of the task, and believe that its realisation will tend to promote the progress and the peace of mankind, and to right a great historic wrong.

            I cannot believe that the greatest colonial Power in the world will fail when it is faced with the task of placing its unique colonising experience at the service of the reconstruction of the ancient home of the People of the Bible. The task may not be an easy one for the Mandatory Power, but for the success it will attain it is assured of the undying gratitude not only of the Jews but of all that is noblest in mankind. {signed} Albert Einstein

          • Helen4Yemen

            EINSTEIN WAS A ZIONIST

            A Letter to Professor Dr. Hellpach, Minister of State

            Dear Herr Hellpach,

            I have read your article on Zionism and the Zurich Congress and
            feel, as a strong devotee of the Zionist idea, that I must answer
            you, even if it is only shortly.

            The Jews are a community bound together by ties of blood and
            tradition, and not of religion only: the attitude of the rest of the
            world towards them is sufficient proof of this. When I came to
            Germany fifteen years ago I discovered for the first time that I
            was a Jew, and I owe this discovery more to Gentiles than Jews.

            The tragedy of the Jews is that they are people of a definite
            historical type, who lack the support of a community to keep
            them together. The result is a want of solid foundations in the
            individual which amounts in its extremer forms to moral
            instability. I realized that the only possible salvation for the race
            was that every Jew in the world should become attached to a
            living society to which the individual rejoiced to belong and
            which enabled him to bear the hatred and the humiliations that he
            has to put up with from the rest of the world.

            I saw worthy Jews basely caricatured, and the sight made my
            heart bleed. I saw how schools, comic papers, and innumerable
            other forces of the Gentile majority undermined the confidence
            even of the best of my fellow- Jews, and felt that this could not
            be allowed to continue.

            Then I realized that only a common enterprise dear to the hearts
            of Jews all over the world could restore this people to health. It
            was a great achievement of Herzl’s to have realized and
            proclaimed at the top of his voice that, the traditional attitude of
            the Jews being what it was, the establishment of a national home

            or, more accurately, a centre in Palestine, was a suitable object
            on which to concentrate our efforts.

            All this you call nationalism, and there is something in the
            accusation. But a communal purpose, without which we can
            neither live nor die in this hostile world, can always be called by
            that ugly name. In any case it is a nationalism whose aim is not
            power but dignity and health. If we did not have to live among
            intolerant, narrow-minded, and violent people, I should be the
            first to throw over all nationalism in favour of universal humanity.

            The objection that we Jews cannot be proper citizens of the
            German State, for example, if we want to be a “nation,” is based
            on a misunderstanding of the nature of the State which springs
            from the intolerance of national majorities. Against that
            intolerance we shall never be safe, whether we call ourselves a
            “people” (or “nation”) or not.

            I have put all this with brutal frankness for the sake of brevity,
            but I know from your writings that you are a man who attends to
            the sense, not the form.

          • Blokeabout

            Thanks Helen, I meant Zionism in the most current sense of the word, i.e. the idea that Israel is exclusively a state of the Jews and not a state of its citizens. This is something Einstein rejected as he rejected Menachem Begin and his fascist ideology to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. Part of the problem is the changing definition of Zionism, let alone who a Zionist is. One would have thought the Zionist objective, to achieve a state in ’48 would have been fulfilled. As it has been the case time and again, the goal posts move until Jews stop the continuing ethnic cleansing of the native population.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I am Middle Eastern and that land does not belong to any foreigners whether from Yemen or Lithuania. Zionism simply means the seizure of land Arab land for the benefit of foreign Jewry. What Einstein was saying was the land belong to foreign Jews and to the native Arabs. Who was he to assign Arab land to foreigners. He used words like ‘rebuild” reestablish, recreate to indicate that the foreign Jews were only “returning” home.

          • Blokeabout

            Of course, that argument against Palestinian land being given to another nation was first presented at the time of the Balfour Declaration, when the British had yet to even be given a mandate. They were already giving away land they had nothing to do with at the time.
            It is a story of colonization, and Palestinians for better or worse in ’88 accepted Israel and officially gave up 78% of their land. The majority of Palestinians wanted to end their subjugation by doing so, but the world did not take notice of their enormous concession. Since then the colonization project has continued unabated.

          • Helen4Yemen

            EINSTEIN WAS A COMMITTED ZIONIST

            “For us Jews Palestine is not just a charitable or colonial enterprise, but a problem of central importance for the Jewish people. Palestine is not primarily a place of refuge for the Jews of Eastern Europe, but the embodiment of the re-awakening corporate spirit of the whole Jewish nation. Is it the right moment for this corporate sense to be awakened and strengthened? This is a question to which I feel compelled, not merely by my spontaneous feelings but on rational grounds, to return an unqualified “yes.””

          • Mike Abramov

            I do not know who has been brain-washing you, but you have done a good job of repeating the same old BS I have heard for over 40 years.

            You just do not get it. The Palestinians in Lebanon and Jordan masquerading as refugees have declined Jordanian citizenship in the hope that one day they will return to their homes of 70 years ago. The refugees in Lebanon are at the behest of the Lebanese government, but because of the apartheid regime in Lebanon there are over 50 occupations that the Palestinians are not allowed to do….yes, I said apartheid.,, The Arabs who fled 70 years ago are largely dead. In the meanwhile, most of the refugees live on handouts and dream about the impossible.

            When the Jews of Europe lost their homes, their families, their money and yet survived the Holocaust, what did they do? They forgot the past and started all over again. They did not wallow in refugee camps, did they?

          • Blokeabout

            Jews forgot the Holocaust. I had a few hours of hysterical laughter reading that, thanks!
            But seriously, here’s a few basic facts you should know:

            “A report from the military intelligence SHAI of the Haganah entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”, dated 30 June 1948, affirms that:

            At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15% … of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases….[62][63][64]

            According to Morris’s estimates, 250,000 to 300,000 Palestinians left Israel during this stage.[10]:262 Keesing’s Contemporary Archives in London place the total number of refugees before Israel’s independence at 300,000.[65]”
            Wikipedia

            Ben Gurion told a JNF official in February of 1948 that the Jews didn’t need to buy land anymore, but to conquer it. He also instructed that ethnically cleansed Arab villages be settled by Jews even before the end of hostilities had occurred. See page 45 of Shlomo Ben-Ami, Scars of war, wounds of peace, Oxford University Press, 2006.

            These, and another 400,000 people who fled or were driven out of their lands during the Nakba are the people you claim to be “masquerading as refugees”. While they were not allowed to return, Jews happily took over their lands and homes. Sounds like you are one of them.

          • Mike Abramov

            You are a remarkably shallow person. You completely failed to understand my point;

            ‘When the Jews of Europe lost their homes, their families, their money and yet survived the Holocaust, what did they do? They forgot the past and started all over again. They did not wallow in refugee camps, did they?’

            You laughed at this. Lack of compassion or a lack of depth?

            The Arab refugees sank in to a deep state of self-pity in 1948 and this is what you are supporting. Yet, you laugh at the people who just got on with life with the memories of the most horrendous era of industrialised murder in history..

            As for the rest of your reply, if you are going to quote Ben Morris, I am not interested because I know where he is coming from. He is one of many history revisionists kept in business by the gullible left-wing.

            You need to grow up a bit.

          • Blokeabout

            Yes, of course, my apologies. There is in fact a guy in the Mato Grosso who may not be reminded on a daily basis of the Holocaust. Did you finish Rich Forer’s book you said you would read? Here’s another best seller that can help you awaken, “The Holocaust Industry” by Norman Finkelstein.
            Incidentally, here’s the leftist Benny Morris:
            “When Shavit called the 1948 Palestinian exodus “ethnic cleansing”, Morris responded, “[t]here are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing. I know that this term is completely negative in the discourse of the 21st century, but when the choice is between ethnic cleansing and genocide—the annihilation of your people—I prefer ethnic cleansing.”[5] Morris criticized David Ben-Gurion for not carrying out such a plan, saying: “In the end, he faltered. … If he had carried out a full expulsion—rather than a partial one—he would have stabilized the State of Israel for generations.”[5]
            Wikipedia

            You remind me of the devoted Jew when asked how he felt after praying for peace in the land for decades at the Wailing Wall (talk about “moving on”) he responded: it’s like talking to a f#%# wall!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Isaac Asimov : “I am frequently asked if I have visited Israel, whereas yet, it is simply assumed that I have. Well, I don’t travel. I really don’t, and if I did, I probably wouldn’t visit Israel. I remember how it was in 1948 when Israel was being established and all my Jewish friends were ecstatic, I was not. I said: what are we doing? We are establishing ourselves in a ghetto, in a small corner of a vast Muslim sea. The Muslims will never forget nor forgive, and Israel, as long as it exists, will be embattled. I was laughed at, but I was right. I can’t help but feel that the Jews didn’t really have the right to appropriate a territory only because 2000 years ago, people they consider their ancestors, were living there. History moves on and you can’t really turn it back.”

          • Helen4Yemen

            “We came and turned the native Arabs into tragic refugees. And still we dare to slander and malign them, to besmirch their name. Instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did and trying to undo some of the evil we committed … we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them.” ~ Nathan Chofshi

          • Helen4Yemen

            “they won any of the wars against Israel, would have colonised Palestine.”
            . . .
            Meaning like the Algerians fought the French because they wanted to colonize their own country? Have you been to see a doctor lately?

          • Theo Anonis

            Mike. I’m surprised that you are not balancing your comment here by noting the “Price tag” attacks by the settler community in the West Bank against the Palestinians in nearby communities. It began with Baruch Goldstein in the mid 1990’s, and continues today with the horrific burning alive of 3 members of a family including an 18 month old child in Duma. According to the teachings of Rabbi Ben-Zion Gopstein, this act of inhuman violence would be OK. So who’s pointing fingers here?

            And there’s no guarantee that Hamas will be even relevant in a free Palestine. It’s very likely that there will be UN peacekeepers in the DMZ between Israel and Palestine and Hamas will simply fade away. The military wing of Hamas was borne out of the need for a defense against Israeli/IDF aggression (similar to Hezbollah) and will no longer be needed if Israel stays on it’s own side of the border.

            I’m not sure why you would mention Hezbollah here though, as they are Lebanese and have their own issue with Israel that has little to do with the occupation of Palestine.

          • Helen4Yemen

            BUT PALESTINE IS NOT THEIR GRANDMOTHER’S LAND, IS IT? POLAND IS!

            Name………………………. European……. Middle Eastern
            1) Alex Feinberg…………… 99.8% …………… 0%
            2) Dershowitz DNA………. 99.9% …………….0%
            3) Rabbi Hammerman…,,, 99.9% …………… 0%
            4) Tony Kushner…………… 99.9% …………….0%
            5) Joseph Cohen………….. 99.8% …………… 0%
            6) Bill Maher…………………..99.9% ……………..0%
            7) Neil Gaiman……………… 99.9% …………… .0%
            8) Jill Sobule………….. …….99.9% ……………..0%
            9) Alisa R Doctoroff…….. ..98.0% …………….. 0%
            10) A.J. Jacobs………………99.9% ……………. 0%

            Source:

            https://disqus*com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

          • Alex Malinow

            Poland is land of Poles. We invited Jews as guests and we are very happy that Jews found back their homeland in Israel.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You are saying you choose to remain in your delusion despite the power of DNA?

            Alex Feinberg
            “Finally got my 23andme results:
            Ashkenazi – 93.6%
            Nonspecific European – 6%
            Southern European = 0.2%
            Unassigned – 0.2% ”
            https://twitter*com/strlen/status/287354859345281024

            Neil Gaiman:
            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

            Replace * with .

          • Helen4Yemen

            But Europe where the Ashkenazi is from has 45 states,

            does it not? Why not establish a state where the

            Ashkenazi is from: Europe?

            . . .

            Neil Gaiman:
            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

            Replace * with .

          • Alex Malinow

            Nope. Jews in Europe were always guests. Those who live there have any right to stay, but Israelis en masse have their homeland in Israel.

          • Helen4Yemen

            What gracious host you are that you just expel your guests?
            Jewish expulsions from Europe.
            – 250 Carthage – 415 Alexandria – 554 Diocèse of Clermont (France) – 561 Diocèse of Uzès (France) – 612 Visigoth Spain – 642 Visigoth Empire – 855 Italy – 876 Sens – 1012 Mainz – 1182 France – 1182 Germany – 1276 Upper Bavaria – 1290 England – 1306 France – 1322 France (again) – 1348 Switzerland – 1349 Hielbronn (Germany) – 1349 Saxony – 1349 Hungary – 1360 Hungary – 1370 Belgium – 1380 Slovakia – 1388 Strasbourg – 1394 Germany – 1394 France – 1420 Lyons – 1421 Austria – 1424 Fribourg – 1424 Zurich – 1424 Cologne – 1432 Savoy – 1438 Mainz – 1439 Augsburg – 1442 Netherlands – 1444 Netherlands – 1446 Bavaria – 1453 France – 1453 Breslau – 1454 Wurzburg – 1462 Mainz – 1483 Mainz – 1484 Warsaw – 1485 Vincenza (Italy) – 1492 Spain – 1492 Italy – 1495 Lithuania – 1496 Naples – 1496 Portugal – 1498 Nuremberg – 1498 Navarre – 1510 Brandenberg – 1510 Prussia – 1514 Strasbourg – 1515 Genoa – 1519 Regensburg – 1533 Naples – 1541 Naples – 1542 Prague & Bohemia – 1550 Genoa – 1551 Bavaria – 1555 Pesaro – 1557 Prague – 1559 Austria – 1561 Prague – 1567 Wurzburg – 1569 Papal States – 1571 Brandenburg – 1582 Netherlands – 1582 Hungary – 1593 Brandenburg, Austria – 1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi – 1614 Frankfort – 1615 Worms – 1619 Kiev – 1648 Ukraine – 1648 Poland – 1649 Hamburg – 1654 Little Russia (Beylorus) – 1656 Lithuania – 1669 Oran (North Africa) – 1669 Vienna – 1670 Vienna – 1712 Sandomir – 1727 Russia – 1738 Wurtemburg – 1740 Little Russia (Beylorus) – 1744 Prague, Bohemia – 1744 Slovakia – 1744 Livonia – 1745 Moravia – 1753 Kovad (Lithuania) – 1761 Bordeaux – 1772 Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia) – 1775 Warsaw – 1789 Alsace – 1804 Villages in Russia – 1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia) – 1815 Lbeck & Bremen – 1815 Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria – 1820 Bremen – 1843 Russian Border Austria & Prussia – 1862 Areas in the U.S. under General Grant’s Jurisdiction[1] – 1866 Galatz, Romania – 1880s Russia – 1891 Moscow – 1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews) – 193845 Nazi Controlled Areas – 1948 Arab Countries

          • Alex Malinow

            This is archival information, but you might have a point. Jews should live with other Jews in Israel and not in other countries. This applies to all semite people, arabs as well.

          • Helen4Yemen

            BORING … GO AWAY …

          • Alex Malinow

            I will go away. They will stay in their country. You stupid Muslim trolls will lost your lives generation after generation trying to destroy Israel, while Israeli will enjoy their lives. You are one stupieest nation in the planet. Nobody makes a war for 70 years.

          • Helen4Yemen

            S H O O !

          • Alex Malinow

            I understan. You cannot go with your open face, beacuse you would be momentally raped and this will be your fault,and shame which only would be to blast your self in front of Israeli outpost. Betetr stay at home, not likely they will rape you there. What kind of life you do have? Bad. The only entertainment is to copy and paste this stupid, brainless propaganda. We all know how false it is, so your job is completely pointless.

          • Alex Malinow

            Your life is so miserable. Everybody knows that you are spreading false propaganda.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “The area of land is minute compared to the remaining 22 Arab states.”

            Palestine is not your grandmother’s land, is it?

            Alex Feinberg
            “Finally got my 23andme results:
            Ashkenazi – 93.6%
            Nonspecific European – 6%
            Southern European = 0.2%
            Unassigned – 0.2% ”

            https://twitter*com/strlen/status/287354859345281024

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are your that utterly ……?

            The British did colonize Yemen, India, Kenya, Palestine but they are now gone.

            The Ashkenazi is still there. That is the problem.

          • Alex Malinow

            Arabs are still in Libya, Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia. Turks are still in Turkey. Turks and Kurds are also in former Western Armenia.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You are such a deluded or totally s t u p i d predator!

            Jabotinsky:

            “Let us consider for a moment the point of view of those to whom this seems immoral. We shall trace the root of the evil to this – that we are seeking to colonise a country against the wishes of its population, in other words, by force. Everything else that is undesirable grows out of this root with axiomatic inevitability. What then is to be done?”

          • Alex Malinow

            Please jump to year 2017. There are several millions of Israelis born in Israel. Their future and their rights must be protected by any solution of the conflict.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Where are the millions of the British that were born in Kenya, Yemen, India …?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are you that s t u p i d that a native people will just allow Europeans to take their land?

            Jabotinsky:

            Colonization carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab. Colonization can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed.”

          • Helen4Yemen

            Jabotinsky:

            “We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies.”

          • Helen4Yemen

            Shomo Sand:

            ” In the 1970s Israel was caught up in the momentum of territorial expansion, and without the Old Testament in its hand and the exile of the Jewish people in its memory, it would have had no justification for annexing Arab Jerusalem, and establishing settlements in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and even the Sinai Peninsula.”
            . . .
            Name………………………. European……. Middle Eastern
            1) Alex Feinberg…………… 99.8% …………… 0%
            2) Dershowitz DNA………. 99.9% …………….0%
            3) Rabbi Hammerman…,,, 99.9% …………… 0%
            4) Tony Kushner…………… 99.9% …………….0%

          • Alex Malinow

            Arab Jerusalem from 1967, was Jewish Jerusalem from 1948. Arabs ethnic cleansed Jerusalem, Israelis didn’t do it. The Golan Heights have military meaning. There are no settlements in Gaza.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Neil Gaiman:

            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”

            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%

            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

          • Helen4Yemen

            What was wrong with their own European soil? Can the Ashkenazi be
            more European than 99.9% European? That is very pure European, is it not?

            Neil Gaiman:
            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are you saying Lithuanians, Hungarians, Germans had land title to Palestine?

          • Alex Malinow

            The land never belongs to Palestinians. Ottoman assigned the land to Arab from Syria. They sold the land legally to Jews.

          • Blokeabout

            In 1947 Jews owned 6% of the land, look it up. Yes the partition brought war, but not before 300,000 Palestinians were already exiled and dispossessed. The injustice of the UN to assign the majority of the land to a minority of mostly European immigrants who owned 6% of it was a disgrace that’s yet to be addressed.

          • Alex Malinow

            Your statement is full of false propaganda. The first problem is that Palestinians didn’t own rest 94%. The second that Jews irrigated a lot wastelands and turned them into productive land. Most of Palestinians lived in the old areas and those were assigned to them. Moreover, Arabs cannot claim that Jews got too much and at the same time insist they should get 0. This is unlogical.

          • Blokeabout

            Palestinians were severely oppressed by the Ottomans but the ownership of the land was established among them. Often there was a wealthy man entrusted with ownership of individual farms because it was deemed easier to deal with the Turks, and a few of them did sell the property illegally. But this is part of the 6%.
            Visit any town, you may be allowed to see the record book where every parcel of land has assigned ownership to a Palestinian family. This is the record keeping maintained for hundreds of years.
            But to the eyes of a westerner, who cannot see ownership unless he sees a flag, the land is up for grabs.

          • Alex Malinow

            Record book??? What is it??? Does it mean there were 2 land records: the official / Ottoman and unofficial ? Who maintained the second one?

          • Blokeabout

            Now you’re getting it. The Ottomans did not own the land, nor did they want it. They simply extorted wealth from the natives.
            Go visit them, you’ll understand why Palestinian hospitality is world renoun.

          • Alex Malinow

            You haven’t answered my question. You mentioned unofficial land record. Could you please explain it in details?

          • Alex Malinow

            They sold the land legally to Jewish owners. Moreover, the situation of Palestine in Ottoman times was hopeless. British Mandate had brought prosperity for all people of Palestine.
            Why do you try to portrait the history falsely? Do you believe other people do not have google and have no brains?

          • Blokeabout

            Because I’ve read the history from Jews with integrity. Why do you dismiss Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, Anna Baltzer, Tom Segev and hundreds of historians that have no fear of being called antisemitic. These people have placed ethics above tribalism. Google “Palestinian people” for starters, I’m pretty sure it will be your first time.

          • Alex Malinow

            I know that antisemitism was actually invented by semitic people, Jews and Arabs and it is basically embodiment of their racism and hatred. This doesn’t answer my question.

          • Alex Malinow

            With regard to yet another region in Palestine—the Beisan (Beit Shean) area—we quote from the report of Mr. Lewis French, Director of Development appointed by the British Government in

            1931:

            We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria. . . . Large areas of their lands were uncultivated and covered with weeds. There were no trees, no vegetables. The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to har- bour these and other criminals. The individual plots of cultivation changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fella- hin’s lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbours the Bedouin.

            This, then, was the picture of Palestine in the closing decades of the 19th century and up to the First World War: a land that was overwhelmingly desert, with nomads continually encroaching on the settled areas and its farmers; a lack of elementary facilities and equipment; peasants wallowing in poverty, ignorance and disease, saddled with debts (interest rates at times were as high as 60 per cent) and threatened by warlike nomads or neighbouring clans. The result was a growing neglect of the soil and a flight from the villages, with a mounting concentration of lands in the hands of a small number of large landowners, frequently residing in such distant Arab capitals as Beirut and Damascus, Cairo and Kuwait. Here, in other words, was a social and economic order that had all the earmarks of a medieval feudal society.

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Arabs have never accepted the indignation of one white man – Balfour – giving away their land to another white man – the Ashkenazi.

          • John the Savage

            Okay, so the Palestinian leadership is corrupt – like ours in Britain. The issue is what should Israel do, and the answer to that is – obey international law. They have been repeatedly asked to end the Occupation, they have been repeatedly asked to adhere to human rights when fighting against Hamas, and not only refuse to do so, but claim that those who tell them off are in fact anti-Semites who hate all Jews everywhere.

          • Mike Abramov

            John – we have a problem.

            Israel returned Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005. By 2007, Hamas was in control. What followed was years of shelling Israeli towns, the commandeering of cement to build tunnels instead of homes and a regime where homosexuals were pushed off rooftops, men were not allowed to grow their hair beyond their collar and millions of dollars being squandered on a 7 star hotel and shopping mall in Gaza City while the ‘people were living in run-down buildings.

            If and when Israel return some or all of the West Bank, what will follow will be a civil war between Hamas and the PA. The problem is that the world will blame Israel for this.

          • John the Savage

            Mike, the Gaza Disengagement was not about giving the land back to the Palestinians in the sense of allowing them their national rights. It was merely about removing Israeli troops and settlers. Without the wherewithal for the moderate Palestinians to build a state, how can you determine what a Palestinian state would be like based on Gaza? If there is anything to judge from, precisely because of Israel’s mistreatment of the people of Gaza for so long the Gaza Strip is now the most anti-Semitic region in the world and terror groups have the perfect environment in which to flourish.

            What the Palestinians want – and are entitled to – is independence. It is not up to Israel what Hamas does purely in Gaza if Hamas controls it. It is not up to Israel if a civil war breaks out, so long as Israel have not denied the Palestinians the ability to create a fully functional state. And once that happens Israel will have an easier job defending its borders as they will be politically defined. Israel can’t control what “the world” says or thinks, but it can do the right thing regardless.

          • Mike Abramov

            John – I appreciate your sentiments. I can see that fundamentally you are a humanitarian, as I am. However, it was in 2007 that an election was held in Gaza to establish a government. Hamas ‘won’ and they have been there ever since.

            Prior to 2007, there was next to no control of the border between Gaza and Israel because many of the Gazan citizens worked for Israeli companies. When Hamas took over, this all changed.

            Israel is not mis-treating the people of Gaza. Israel is controlling the people moving in and out of Gaza because of the Hamas Charter (see Chapter.7). When interviewed in 2014 by an English observer, many Gazans privately admitted that they did not have a problem with Israelis. However, Hamas is poisoning the minds of the children.

            You will find in Gaza City a 7 Star hotel and a shopping center worthy of a place in London or Paris. So, how come much needed building materials are being spent on tourist attractions while the people live in very modest circumstances? Hamas wants to see the total destruction of Israel under the banner of the ‘Great Jihad’.This is why Israel and Hamas are miles apart.

            Finally, I spoke to a reporter from Gaza last October. We had a fabulous conversation and both agreed that all the support from the left-wing was doing nothing to help the cause of ALL the Palestinians.

            I come now to the Roger Waters and Radiohead. You might have read that the request by R. Waters to not play in Tel-Aviv has been flatly rejected Not only is one of the band members, Johnny Greenwood Jewish, but his wife is an Israeli.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Not “Jews” will be kicked out but snow-white Lithuanians,
            Hungarians, Germans, Russians …

          • Mike Abramov

            You are a truth denier

          • Helen4Yemen

            You are saying that the Palestinians do not know
            that foreign predators are on their land?

          • Mike Abramov

            Do you mean the British until 1947 or the Turks until 1918?

          • Helen4Yemen

            95% of world Jewry Ashkenazi of European ancestry. Why not go home?

          • ZBA

            I also express the sentiment that I feel sorry for the Arabs being abused by the hate teach of their “leaders” /schools. I even feel for the terrorists, but of course they need to be neutralized. I should copy your responses … they are accurate and eloquent.

          • Mike Abramov

            Thank you my friend. This case of Radiohead playing in Tel-Aviv continues now with Ken Loach intervening. I first saw Ken Loach at a meeting at Amnesty International about 5 years ago. He is a quiet man with a look of superiority. When I walked out of the meeting I stared at him with an equal amount of superiority. I do not care that he is a leading film director, I care about my people, their safety and their right to live in Eretz Yisroel without suicide bombers, murderers and kidnappers as neighbours.

          • Helen4Yemen

            95% of world Jewry is Ashkenazi. Tell me how your European people feel entitled to live on Arab land. The sooner the European vacates the better for all. This Zionist experiment will not end good, why not just get the h— out and go home?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why not look in the mirror and head on home where the mirror tells you is home!

          • Helen4Yemen

            The simple question is why is the white man known as the Ashkenazi back home in Europe?

      • Blokeabout

        You have seriously drank the kool-aid. Look up Breaking the Silence for a clue of 1000 military laws that only apply to Palestinians in the West Bank.

        • Mike Abramov

          I have read Breaking the Silence.

          The occupation of the West Bank is NOT apartheid, it is a security problem. These are Palestinian negotiators who have turned down many opportunities to cur a deal and then pulled out at the last minute. The West Bank has it’s problems on both sides. The Israeli settlers and the indigenous Palestinians have been at each other;s throats for years. The Palestinians do not want Jews on their Land. The Jews do not want Palestinians on their land.

          In the meanwhile, an Israeli cannot safely visit many Arab countries (excluding Egypt and Jordan) without the risk of being imprisoned or murdered….is that apartheid?

          • Blokeabout

            For starters, Breaking the Silence is not a book, look them up.
            Look up also Saudi Peace Initiative, in place since 2002, where all Arab countries, as well as Palestinians including Hamas, propose full peace and normalization if Israel simply ends the occupation and withdraws to the ’67 border. Israel did not even bother to respond to it.
            If you want a realistic assessment try to identify hasbara, though I recognize it is not easy when already indoctrinated.

          • Mike Abramov

            Is this what you mean?
            2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:

            I- Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the June 4, 1967 lines as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.

            If Israel responded to that ‘solution’ Syria would have moved in to the Golan Heights and ignoring the Palestinians would have taken over that land. The West Bank is actually Trans-Jordan. Having said that, by now ISIS would have taken their troops as far as the West Bank where hundreds of Palestinians would have been killed too. Guess what? The Arabs would have blamed the Israelis.

          • Blokeabout

            No country currently recognizes the Golan Heights as Israeli territory any more than it recognizes the West Bank or East Jerusalem as Israeli territory. It is considered to this day Syrian, occupied illegally by Israel. Jordan also occupied the West Bank illegally in ’48, and no country recognized that either. The Jordanian king Abdullah paid with his life for that.

          • Mike Abramov

            Had the Arabs not invaded in 1948 and 1967, there would still be the 1948 borders. The Arabs lost both wars and the 1973 Yom Kippur War which was a blitzkrieg on the one day when Jews are all in the synagogue.

            The Golan Heights are vital as a look-out point.

            If we consider the level of war and violence occurring in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan as well as the regime in Egypt, you will find that the Palestinians are not that badly off…but they do not realise it.

            This is why Israel is taking in so many refugees from the Sudan….and many walked there rather than go to other Arab countries.

          • Blokeabout

            Israeli supporters take delight at the mayhem in the Middle East. They refer to it every time they justify the current apartheid in the West Bank: but look at Syria! Palestinians have it so good!

            Arabs invaded after Plan Dalet had already been put in place to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian population from areas the ’47 Partition Plan proposed to become Israel.

            One of many scholarly sources on Plant Dalet:
            “The further flight, often forced, of 450,000 more Palestinian refugees, added to the nearly 300,000 who had fled or been driven out before May 14, 1948” (Palestine and the Arab Israeli Conflict, Charles D Smith, University of Arizona).

            Also, you might want to update your information on refugees from Sudan, less than 5000 in Israel. This stopped in 2012 after South Sudan independence.

          • Alex Malinow

            There are 8 million Palestinians now, up from half million 70 years ago, This is absurd to say they would ever find home and bread in Palestine.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “Had the Arabs not invaded in 1948 and 1967”

            Tell me a people that has just back and did nothing
            when foreign invaders arrived?

          • Alex Malinow

            Ok to try. However, if you are defeated it is plainly stupid to extend the war for 80 years.

          • Helen4Yemen

            No Jew has to worry about being attacked by ISIS.
            ISIS is very Jew-friendly – not once did ISIS attack
            any Jews – not even once.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Well, it is not “the Jews” land considering there were no Palestinian Jews on that land at all but snow-white foreign predators.

      • Helen4Yemen

        The only white Europeans who inject black Jews to stop them from having black babies! You are proud of the Europeans who now call themselves “Israelis”?

      • Theo Anonis

        Hello Mike. You and I have had conversations in the recent past. Hope you are well.

        I’ve been skimming the comments here and of course when one gets involved with the Israel/Palestine issue, there are many inappropriate comments and hateful comments, misinformation, etc. I interact when I might be able to offer something of value.

        Pertaining to Apartheid in South Africa. I was, back in my University days, an advocate for the cultural boycott of South Africa. I promoted it on campus.

        Apartheid in South Africa is defined as institutionalized racism. The superiority of the whites of SA was codified into the laws that governed the lives of the black majority. Segregation was the law. Housing, employment, education, and any other opportunities were apportioned based only on the color of your skin. Land owners, were white. Business owners were white. Government officials, and lawmakers were white. Blacks were “herded” into small communities known as Bantustans, walled off from the white communities and it was there that the deep depression of the minority white rule over the majority of blacks in SA became profound.

        After the death of Stephen Biko, I heard about the Sharpeville massacre. That was the linchpin for me. I knew this abomination, Apartheid, had to end. And I did what I could.

        The Palestinians in the occupied territories find themselves in a very similar situation. Not an exact parallel, but arguably close. In the OPT, the rule of law is applied to Palestinians, not by a civilian court, but a military court. This, in itself, implies a military occupation, and is defined as such by the Hague regulation of 1907. You’ve indicated that Israel is secular, tolerant and pluralist. None of these apply to the occupied territories, and I’d like to ensure that distinction.

        A boycott of businesses operating in the occupied territories, and a boycott of cultural events that benefit the occupation, is a valid response to an untenable situation. It was true for me 30 years ago, and it is true now.

        Whether my actions did any good in opposing Apartheid, I can’t say. But, my advocacy for the Palestinians at this time, is just an extension of the activism I’ve spent a good part of my adult life on. And it will continue.

      • Blokeabout

        israel never offered the West Bank in ’68. Yeap, ignorance is bliss. But it makes you dumb.

        • Mike Abramov

          No, Israel did not return the West Bank to the Arabs. Nor did Iraq, Egypt and Aden return the millions of pounds of confiscated goods from their Jewish population when they emigrated to Israel arriving penny-less. Nor did the USSR compensate the hundreds of Jews that were imprisoned just because they wanted to emigrate to Israel.

          That is life my son, so you had better do some growing up.

          • Helen4Yemen

            What kind of expulsion takes decades? The Arab Jews took their sweet time moving to the colonial state, did they not? Show me the expulsion?

            Here is a list of the Arab Jews by country and year.

            Country…..1948…….1958…….1968…..1978
            Algeria………140,000….130,000……1,500….1,000
            Egypt…………75,000……40,000……1,000……400
            Iraq………….135,000……..6,000……2,500…..350
            Libya………….38,000…….3,750………100…….40
            Morocco…….265,000….200,000….50,000..18,000
            Syria………….30,000……..5,000…..4,000….4,500
            Tunisia………105,000…..80,000….10,000….7,000
            Yemen/Aden…63,000…….4,300……..500…….500
            Total………… 851,000…469,060….69,600..31,790

          • Mike Abramov

            Useful statistics, but terribly out-of-date now.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Then the 6,000,000 figure they use for the holocaust is out of date?
            What is the updated figure? You just confirmed to me the level of your IQ.

          • Alex Malinow

            You cannot deny that while Arabs left Israel, Jews left Arab countries. The current situation is that everybody are in their majority areas and this is situation which is there to stay. israel for israelis, Arabia for Arabs.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You must hate Jews! You are so scared that they might come back!

            Neil Gaiman:
            “According to 23andme, genetically I am
            99.6% Ashkenazi,
            0.3% unspecified European,
            0.1% East Asian. ”
            Total European = 99.9%
            Total Middle East = 0.0%
            https://twitter*com/neilhimself/status/278035051210498048

          • Blokeabout

            But you first stated that Israel had “offered” the West Bank back for peace in ’68. Hence I assume you believed that. And I don’t blame you as it is one of a thousand lies that Jews and the rest of the world are told by Israeli leaders.
            “I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism. These are historical facts that cannot be altered. . . In the end, history will justify both the stratagems and deceit and the acts of adventurism. All I know is that I, Moshe Sharett, am not capable of them, and I am therefore unsuited to lead this country”
            In other word, what Moshe Sharett is saying that the “Jewish state” is incapable of surviving without lying to its citizens and the rest of the world; in fact it has been national security for the “Jewish state” to do so.
            Speaking of Sharett, did you know he prevented Misrahi Jews from organizing a petition to the UN to get their possessions back from Arab countries? In his view, a “parallel account” was established whereby Palestinian land and possessions paid for Misrahi losses. But that of course is outside your interest.

  • Mike Abramov

    Well, the video above is very well presented. However, Radiohead have made a decision. They have told Artists for Palestine to ‘…. off’.

  • Helen4Yemen

    1 Shlomo Sand: “It is clear that the fear is of an undermining of the historic right to the land. The revelation that the Jews are not from Judea would ostensibly knock the legitimacy for our being here out from under us. Since the beginning of the period of de colonization, settlers have no longer been able to say simply: ‘We came, we won and now we are here’ the way the Americans, the whites in South Africa and the Australians said. There is a very deep fear that doubt will be cast on our right to exist.”– Shlomo Sand interviewed by Haaretz Why do you think the idea of the Khazar origins is so threatening?”

    2 Shlomo Sand: “Any mention of the Khazars in the public arena in Israel came to be tagged as eccentric, freakish, and even menacing…There was anxiety about the legitimacy of the Zionist project, should it become widely known that the settling Jewish masses were not the direct descendents of the “Children of Israel”- such de-legitimization might lead to a broad challenge against the State of Israel’s right to exist.”

    3 Arthur Koestler: “The large majority of surviving Jews in the world is of Eastern European-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur, and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Should this turn out to be the case then the term “anti-Semitism” would become void of meaning, based on a misapprehension shared by both the killers and their victims.”

    4 Ralph Schoenman: “Mr. Benjamin Natanayahu is descendant from people who have no relation to Palestine, historic or otherwise, because Ashkenazim or European Jews such as Mr. Natanyahu or ourselves for that matter are in fact descendants of the Khazars, an 8th and 9th century empire that converted to Judaism at that time from which European Jews are descended. Indeed, as I have often discussed, if one wanted scientific data which demonstrates the ethnic origin of European Jewry. Here is the point: European Jews are susceptible to a genetic condition known Tay-Sachs disease, it is analogous to what African Americans suffer, sickle cell anemia. What is interesting about this is that only European Jews are susceptible to this genetic trait. No Semitic people is. That means none of the Jews form the Arab East, Yemen or Iraq or North Africa or any of the areas of the region, because like their Arab brothers and sisters as are the Arab Jews.”

  • Alex Malinow

    Bravo Radiohead! I must buy all your records, before I book my holidays in Haifa.

  • Helen4Yemen

    How European Jews made the Palestinians pay for Germany’s crimes.

    APPENDIX 3 “Soon the Singing Will Turn Into A Death Moan”

    Source: Israel’s Sacred Terrorism by Livia Rokach

    The following is excerpted from Meir Har-Tzion’s Diary, published by Levin-Epstein, Ltd., Tel Aviv, 1969. It describes an Israeli raid in Gaza during the early 1950s.

    We draw closer. There he stands, only a few meters in front of us. We leap. Gibly grabs him and I plunge the knife deep into his back. The blood pours over his striped cotton shirt. With not a second to lose, I react instinctively and stab him again. The body groans, struggles and then becomes quiet and still.

    The wide, dry riverbed glitters in the moonlight. We advance, carefully, along the mountain slope. Several houses can be seen. Bushes and shrubbery sway in the breeze, casting their shadows on the ground. In the distance we can see three lights and hear the sounds of Arab music coming out of the homes immersed in darkness. We split up into three groups of four men each. Two groups make their way to the immense refugee camp to the south of our position. The other group marches towards the lonely house in the flat area north of Wadi Gaza. We march forward, trampling over green fields, wading through water canals as the moon bathes us in its scintillating light. Soon, however, the silence will be shattered by bullets, explosions, and the screams of those who are now sleeping peacefully. We advance quickly and enter one of the houses “Mann Haatha?” (Arabic for “Who’s there?”)

    We leap towards the voices. Fearing and trembling, two Arabs are standing up against the wall of the building. They try to escape. I open fire. An ear piercing scream fills the air. One man falls to the ground, while his friend continues to run. Now we must act we have no time to lose. We make our way from house to house as the Arabs scramble about in confusion. Machine guns rattle, their noise mixed with a terrible howling. We reach the main thoroughfare of the camp. The mob of fleeing Arabs grows larger. The other group attacks from the opposite direction. The thunder of hand grenades echoes in the distance. We receive an order to retreat. The attack has come to an end.

    On the following morning, the headlines will read: “The refugee camp of Al-Burj near Gaza was attacked. The camp has been serving as a base for infiltrators into Israeli territory. ‘Twenty people were killed and another twenty were wounded.”

    .. . . A telephone line blocks our way. We cut it and continue. A narrow path leads along the slope of a hill. The column marches forward in silence. Stop! A few rocks roll down the hill. I catch sight of a man surveying the silence. I grab my rifle. Gibly crawls over to me, “Har, for God’s sake, a knife!!” His clenched teeth glitter in the dark and his whole body is tight, his mind alert, “For God’s sake,” . . . I put my tommy down and unsheath my machete. We crawl towards the lone figure as he begins to sing a trilled Arab tune. Soon the singing will turn into a death moan. I am shaking, every muscle in my body is tense. This is my first experience with this type of weapon. Will I be able to do it?

    We draw closer. There he stands, only a few meters in front of us. We leap. Gibly grabs him and I plunge the knife deep into his back. The blood pours over his striped cotton shirt. With not a second to lose, I react instinctively and stab him again. The body groans, struggles and then becomes quiet and still.

    From an interview with Meir Har-Tzion, Ha’aretz weekly supplement, 9 November 1965:

    Pangs of conscience? No. Why should I have any? The man’s blue eyes open wide in amazement. “It’s easy to kill a man with a rifle. You press the trigger and that’s that. But a knife, why, that’s something else-that’s a real fight. Even if you are successful, you come close to death. The enemy’s blade is as close as the air. It’s a fantastic feeling. You realize you’re a man.”

    https://disqus*com/home/discussion/channel-semite/livia_rokach_israels_sacred_terrorism_76/