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Israel to demolish Jerusalem mosque

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The Dome of the Rock and other mosques are seen from the Arab neighborhood of Silwan, in Jerusalem [file photo]

Israeli forces in occupied Jerusalem today ordered the demolition of the Abdullah Al-Sanawi Mosque in Silwan, under the pretext that it was built without the impossible to obtain building permit.

Image of the demolition order [assabeel.net]

Image of the demolition order of the Abdullah Al-Sanawi Mosque in Silwan  [assabeel.net]

A member of the Committee for the Defence of Silwan, Fakhri Abu Diab, said in a statement that the mosque was built several years ago on Waqf land using donations from the people to serve 4,000 residents of the Deir Al-Sunna neighbourhood which isn’t served by a mosque as authorities failed to issue building permits for one.

He pointed out that the Abdullah Al-Sanawi Mosque is one of six mosques threatened with demolition in the town.

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  • Kazmis

    What a foolish decision. Last time they decided to ban ADAN (Voice call for prayer) and Islamist burn out whole Israel by fire.

    • Michael Stones

      Islamist burn out whole Israel by fire?? when exactly did this happen?

      • Ebola1900

        It was all those virgins smoking in bed, they started an oil fire.

    • Charllys Charles

      Islamist burn out whole Israel by fire? That happened in your dream. Perhaps you’re still dreaming. Wake up, go read the events of the world properly.

      • John Morgan

        Sorry this msg was not for you but for another

        • Charllys Charles

          Even if it was not meant for me, but I could also contribute. It’s a discuss.

    • Pepper Wingate

      Try again! The State of Israel Lives!

      • betz55

        Try again! The Palestine Lives!

        • Pepper Wingate

          In Jordan and Syria and Iran and Gaza (now that was a mistake, a well intentioned mistake but a mistake nonetheless) and America….

          • betz55

            For every hasbarist post more and more people turn to the Palestinians in sympathy and support. Well done, the Palestinians send their thanks and ask that you keep up the good work.

            Zionists believe that bullying has served them well for decades and will continue to do so into the future. This is your and their greatest error.

            They will insult anyone who opposes in any small way their criminal behavior and in doing so will generate more and more opponents who will in turn speak out with greater intensity.

            I think I’ll grab a bottle of wine, a bag of popcorn, a nice comfy chair and enjoy the sh*t show that is Israel to come.

          • Pepper Wingate

            I don’t bully anyone. I leave that to you and yours. I just put facts on the table and let people see your lies for what they are.
            Wine! I may join you. Mine’s a nice red from Judea.

          • betz55

            Like I said before pepper you’re not comprehending – you have proven the point beautifully. No one hates like a rabid, messianic, racist jew lover. But well done, the Palestinians send their thanks and ask that you keep up the good work. And your wine, made from Palestinian grapes, enjoy. Your wine isn’t even truly israeli. France and Napa are better. Much better.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why “Judea”? I thought Abrham and the gang were from Ur, Iraq, very near to Basra? The Shia Muslims of Southern Iraq are the blood cousins of Abraham and no Ashkenazi at 99.9% European DNA. 2 + 2 = always 4.

          • Helen4Yemen

            What is the connection of the the white Jew to Palestine?

            Assuming the white man is related to Abraham, Abraham, was not from Palestine but from Ur, Iraq.

            The Ashkenazi has no connection to Palestine -none – what is it – I can’t see it?

      • Helen4Yemen

        The French colonized Algeria for over 132 years and 1,000,000 French were forced to leave Algeria in 1962 – and the British who colonized Aden, Yemen, for 160 years were forced out by the people of Aden in 1967. Isn’t the Ashkenaz just as European as the British and the French? What makes you think his turn won’t come? And why would this white man ask to be hated by the Muslim world having spend centuries being hated by the Christian West?

  • dovidhalevi

    While I do sympathize with a neighborhood needing a house of worship, this article is biased, period. Jerusalem is our capitol, period. We are not occupiers, we are home.
    I am sure you rejoiced when whole towns were destroyed, over concocted technicalities. So, take your turn. No, I don’t like it either.
    Actually, Fair and balanced coverage might help!

    • Jaime Martin

      Usurpers of Palestinians lands, homes, harvests and water and hidden provokers of the devastation of a whole civilization, partners with the fake muslims as Saudis against the true ones. Zionism= racist terrorism

      • Daphna Jericho Rubin

        For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

        • Vinegar Hill

          Why do you write such lies? You claim that for more than 3,300 years Jerusalem was a capital city You say that it was the Jewish capital. How can it be a ( Jewish) capital city when the state of Israel has not existed for more than 2,000 years? There are numerous religions and countries today that can lay similar stupid, ridiculous claims to cities and territories in the same manner that you have. Have you lost all sense of truth? Have you lost all sense of rational thinking? You are perverted in your line of thought and dangerous in your total lack of morals.

          • Daphna Jericho Rubin

            Instead of attacking me, try sticking to the topic. What was the capital of Palestine? There is no such thing as a Palestinian people; no such thing as a Palestinian history; and no Palestinian language exists. There has never been any independent, sovereign Palestinian state in all of recorded history – let alone an Arab independent state of Palestine.

          • Vinegar Hill

            Your reply clearly demonstrates that you are clueless….in other words as thick as two short planks…

            Why do you refer to a “capital of Palestine?

            Why do you refer to a “Palestinian people”?

            Why do you refer to a “Palestinian language”?

            The more you write the more inane you become…..you are a lost cause and brutal and immoral in your line of vicious and devious thought.

          • Pepper Wingate

            Speak for yourself! You have been infesting these forums with a string of lies and half truths. You never answer the question and try to muddy the waters with irrelevant nonsense. Jews are the indigenous people of Israel. Israel is a legitimate state. Israel reoccupied Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria. Israel is legally allowed to occupy the Golan Heights for reasons of its security.
            You wouldn’t know truth if it bit you!

          • Vinegar Hill

            During the Mandate period the British identified and defined the term indigenous. Throughout the entire Mandate period the majority were the Palestinian Muslims and the miniority were always the Palestinian Jews.

            What is the legal basis for the establishment of the state of Israel?

            You have made a major when you state “Israel reoccupied…..Samaria”. It should read “Israel illegally reoccupied….the West Bank”.

            Your last error is your ridiculous reference to the Golan. It too, is illegal occupied according to international law.

            My darling Pepper…..I can call you Pepper I hope :-)……there are none so blind as those who don’t want to see and I am afraid you fall into that category……bye for now.

          • Michael Abramov

            Correction Mr. Hill. The name Palestinian Arab only came in to parlance after 1967.

          • Pepper Wingate

            Not your “darling” and that’s Dr Wingate to you!
            Stamps, money, documents and posters for the Palestine mandate were written in Hebrew.

          • Vinegar Hill

            If what you wrote above this reply is in response to my final comment then I can only assume you are talking rubbish because it has nothing to do with my posting.

          • Michael Stones

            Dr.? of what, misinformation??

          • Michael Abramov

            Mr. Hill, your knowledge of history is in question again.

            Jerusalem was built by King David. There are some archaeologists that say that Jerusalem was built by King Ora. Either way, this was the era of the ‘city state’. This means that the city was the entity and often walled in to secure the city from invaders. The romantic name for Jerusalem is Zion, hence Zionist or the return to Jerusalem.

            Israel was the name given to Jacob after he fought the angel (re:Genesis). Jacob was the grand-son of Abraham the patriarch of Jews, Muslims and Christians.

            There are two tenuous connections to Jerusalem in Arab history. The first is King Herod who had an Arab father and a Jewish mother, making him a Jew. The second is the ‘belief’ that Mohammed entered heaven over Jerusalem. otherwise, the two connections do not give the Arabs an automatic right to lay claim that Jerusalem is an Arab city. Otherwise, the only claim to Arab history are the incessant invaders from Saladin to the Mumluks.

            Finally, you really must calm down. Your anger does not make your case for the prosecution at all more acceptable.

          • Robert Browne

            “Mr. Hill, your knowledge of history is in question again”

            Mr Abramov, your ability to distinguish history from apocryphal prophesy is blatantly obvious.

          • Vinegar Hill

            Nice one R B …….:-)

          • Mike Abramov

            How about you prove me wrong before you make pompous responses. I await your reply.

        • Robert Browne

          That myth wasn’t started until the 1890’s by Heinrich Graetz. He was the first zionist to pass biblical tales as academic history. Israel was a united kingdom for roughly a hundred years before it fractured into north and south. Even then there were more Jewish people outside of Judah in Babylon and Persia.

          There was never a national identity for the Jewish people, they didn’t need one. Neither did the people of Palestine.

          • Pepper Wingate

            They are there now and your attacks and the attacks of every terrorist to try to undermine the state only makes it stronger. Over 70 years of genocidal attacks on Israel has only made it stronger and its people more determined.
            The State of Israel lives!

          • Robert Browne

            The only thing undermining the state of Israel is the torrent of fascists spreading myths and propaganda as history. Israel has never been in danger of destruction. 12 year old boys throwing rocks and teenage girls with scissors isn’t genocide. It’s the result of 70 years of ethnic cleansing and racist violence.

          • Michael Abramov

            Mr. Browne, may I suggest that your son/daughter picks up a handful of stones and starts throwing those stones at the police. Then let’s see how long it would be before your child is in front of a magistrate.

          • Robert Browne

            That would be their first overwhelming advantage. They’d be arrested, not shot and killed. Neither would they be taken from their beds at 3:00am by soldiers. They wouldn’t face 2o years in prison for throwing a rock either.

            Thousands of stone have been thrown at the police in my country. They’re equipped to deal with it. They don’t shoot to kill children as instructed by their superiors.

          • Pepper Wingate

            And you are where? If, as I suspect it’s the UK, you might look closely at the actions of the British army in Northern Ireland.

          • Mike Abramov

            You do not condemn stone throwing by children then? However, may I suggest that you look at news footage of N.Ireland in the 70s and tell me that the British did not use rubber bullets at the teenage stone throwers.

          • Pepper Wingate

            When did petrol bombs become rocks? As I recall, petrol bombs were used very effectively against tanks in the Hungarian Revolution and Russian soldiers had no problem shooting anyone in the area dead.
            In Syria would any fighter have a problem shooting a 12 year old child chucking rocks? Does the Jordanian Army calmly pat a 12 year old child, throwing rocks at their position, on the head and send them home? How about Egypt? Seems they had a bit of upheaval recently? I seem to recall stories of live fire being used. How about Hezbollah and the Iranians? Any reports of lenient treatment? None? Strange! How about the PA? and Hamas? What’s the state of their prisons? Hmmm, seems that even those anti-semitic organisations Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have had sharp words to say about their prisons.

          • Mike Abramov

            The hypocrisy on this site is incredible.

          • betz55

            The hypocrisy on this site is incredible. – Oh ! so you are looking in the mirror.

          • betz55

            Palestinians are there now and your attacks and the attacks of every illegal settler squat terrorist to try to undermine them only makes them stronger. Over 70 years of genocidal attacks on Palestinians has only made them stronger and its people more determined. The State of Palestine lives!

          • Pepper Wingate

            Genocidal? How do you get genocidal out of an increasing population?

          • Michael Abramov

            HHHHMMMMM…sitting on the fence Mr. Browne?

      • Ebola1900

        Any group that is so sure of its righteousness they believe that intolerance for thought, suppression of the truth not to mention murder, rape, slavery and murder are all God’s will, are incapable of understanding what civilization is. Ask yourself why is it that the more devout any Muslim society becomes the more bloodthirsty it becomes?

      • Pepper Wingate

        Lies!

        • Kyle Renner

          It’s the truth. You people are notorious for being unable to handle the truth!

          • Pepper Wingate

            “You people”? Would that be women? or would that be Jews? I am a woman and I do find that some things are difficult for me to handle. I am not Jewish! I am a Scot. Yes, Scots are notorious for not being able to handle the Truth, for example, we claim that the bagpipes are a musical instrument, a kilt is an article of male attire and we buy sausage by the slice. Ah, well, after 70 years of attempting to drive the Jews into the Sea, we’re not the only ones who live on dreams.

        • betz55

          You’re not comprehending Pepper – you have proven the point beautifully. No one hates like a rabid, messianic, racist jew. But well done, the Palestinians send their thanks and ask that you keep up the good work.

          • Pepper Wingate

            Sorry to break your stereotype. I am not a Jew. I am English and grew up in Scotland. As to my religion? I am a Christian. Hate you? Not in the least. I do hate lies and untruth and faulty logic. Of that I am guilty. I do see the hand of the Almighty in the survival of the Jewish State for the past 70 years. I also see the profound reason for a Jewish State in the relentless attacks both on the State of Israel and on anyone who supports Israel in these forums.
            I do hope that other readers get one message from my stance in these forums. The State of Israel is not alone. There are many of us who believe in a Jewish state. We support justice for Jews in the World and will not stand by while others seek to destroy the Jewish race, the Jewish religion or the homeland of the Jews.

          • betz55

            Then you will understand that Palestine is not alone. There are many of us who believe in a Palestinian State too. We support justice for Palestine in the World and will not stand by while others seek to destroy the Arab/Muslims in Palestine, the Muslim/Islam religion – fastest growing religion in the world – or the homeland of the Palestinians. Your messianic fervor is as troubling as ISIS and the illegal settler terrorist squats. If you actually want peace, you don’t build illegal settlement colonies in the Palestinian capital or on Palestinian land.

          • Pepper Wingate

            So which are you, a Nazi or a Communist or an IRA sympathiser?

          • betz55

            Ah yes, only a matter of time – let the smears begin. First name calling, then the holocaust, then jew hater, then anti-semite, oops, don’t forget Hamas , Nazi, Communist. – you will work that in somewhere – all predictable – all badges of honor for any normal person who values human rights.

            One of the key reasons that the Israeli government and the Israel lobby have lost so much influence all around the world in recent years, and especially among well-educated sectors of Europe and the United States, is because they tend to rely heavily on “arguments” and responses like the one you make—personal attacks and smears, wild accusations, oops don’t forget antisemitism. Political movements which are standing on solid ground, and which have facts, reason and morality on their side, do not stoop to these methods. It’s a sign of desperation and general intellectual bankruptcy.

            Military blockade, economic strangulation, wholesale land and water theft, racial subjugation, demolition of homes, war on civilians, etc, etc. is what passes for morality in the Zionist world.

            Good luck, you gotta work with what you have. Logically and morally, if one is an Israel supporter, like you, that‘s not much.

      • Michael Abramov

        Well Jaime, have you looked around the rest of the Middle East lately? If you want racism and terrorism, look at Yemen and Egypt.

    • Michael Stones

      How can you be home when the “state” of israel was Illegally imposed on Palestine

      • Daphna Jericho Rubin

        Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

        • Michael Stones

          Proof please

          • Daphna Jericho Rubin

            If there ever was an Arab nation Palestine, what was it’s capital? What was the currency? Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat? Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

          • Robert Browne

            Palestinian nationalism was started by Arafat. Previous to that the people identified with their villages. The same applied to Jewish inhabitants of the Levant for the last three thousand years.

          • Pepper Wingate

            Wake up! Stop sleeping in class! We’ve been over this.

          • Michael Stones

            You see that’s exactly the problem, what we have been thought in class is a lie

        • MissCostello

          You must be ‘getting on a bit’ to remember that far back. Well done!

        • Amer Odeh

          And you have undeniable proof that this ancient Israel is the same group as modern Israel? That the modern Palestinians are not also descendants of this ancient Israel who have mixed over the millenia same as the modern Israelis?

          Just curious. This is very important info to settle and I am sure you can understand that.

          • Michael Abramov

            May I intervene?

            Before Islam, the Arabs were pagan. For those of you who do not know what pagan means, it is simple. They believed in the four elements often depicted as statues and ornaments.

            Palestine as a region did not exist until 135AD. The proper name is Syria-Palestina in Latin.

            There were many diasporas. The Babylonian the Assyrian the Persians and of course the Romans. From the Babylonian period circa: 335 BC it is stated that 10 of the 12 tribes did not return but traveled NE in to Asia…where my family are from

            The critical points are two dates. 490 AD when many Jews left the crumbling Roman empire to seek their fortunes elsewhere and 622 AD when Islam converted many of the inhabitants of ME at the point of a sword. However, that is not the issue.

            The real issue is that there are many Jews who have a huge spiritual connection to Jerusalem and Israel. I am English, but when I am in Jerusalem, I want to stay there and not come back to England. This is how a Zionist feels. It has nothing top do with birthrights. It is purely spiritual.

          • PurpleIssa

            First of all thank you Micheal for the thoughtful and well intentioned response. However I must clear some things. When you say Arabs we must be clear which Arabs we are talking about. There was a heavy christian Arab presence in the Levant before Islam (for example: The Ghassanids). In Arabia there were Arabian tribes that adopted Judaism and Christianity too. Also the term Arab is a cultural and linguistic one and not in any way a homogenous ethnic group. This means that the fact that Palestinians refer to themselves as Arab does not directly mean they are the same Arabs you read about in a history book about Arabia (which Arabs exactly? Which part of this vast land do they hail from? Why do we connect all these people into one group and then use “facts” from one side of it to impose our view on another? We must be wary of our bias).

            The Arabs of Palestine today are the ethnic mix of all those who lived in that land from the people of Canaan (Palestinian village Salfit’s name, for instance) to the Greeks and Jews to the Arabs. If that doesn’t make them native i do not know what will.

          • Pepper Wingate

            Is Christianity the same religion of Jesus and John and the twelve along with Joseph and Mary? Is it the same religion that was taken to Rome by Peter or that which was preached by Saul who because Paul? Are the Romans or the Greeks the true inheritors of the mantle? or do one of the Protestant offshoots follow the true teachings?
            Of the original followers of Mohammed are those who follow Aisha or Ali truer to the teachings?
            Or is this another swipe at attacking the genetic link between Ashkenazi and the Jews of old? If so, there are numerous studies that show that Ashkenazi and Mizrahi are closely linked and far closer to each other than Arabs no matter where they live.
            No! Arabs in Israel are recent arrivals and no relation to the original indigenous occupants of Israel.

      • John Morgan

        No body is imposing on PAL they are not making you stay go back to where you came from your just taunting Hebrews because your evil foul and and what’s funny is you guys do every thing the bible said you would do and that’s kinda funny look around you and see the truth you all sit in act as if even the rock of the dome sits and belongs to you god will have it destroyed and he will build his son a new temple and Jesus will sit in the holy of holys every thing in the bible is pointing to this moment and when this happens you will bow down to your one true god and king over all he has created and if you don’t open your eyes and see that Allah is a house hold god driven by hate you believe in when the grate I am. YHWH said to all of us that. He don’t want us to be religious but to just love him and believe in him. He said if you are to be religious then your religion should be to take care of widows and orphens your god Allah would have you kneel when our one true god YHWH would have you stand your god would have you hate another and demand death to any infadel that Would believe in any other god when YHWH would have you love them and pray for them and witness to them and at the end of it all even when one can not be convenced of his love he said to let them go YHWH tells us if you love some one you let them go if there yours they will come back to you if they don’t they never was when Allah would demand you worship him or face death you should ask your self why is it you Allah would teach you hate and why YHWH would teach you to turn the other cheek and pray for your enemy that they find peace in mind and one self hate is of sin sin is of death death in the bible explains that true death is to be shut out from The fathers love and trying away From Damnation our father loved us so much that he let us all go to be free and have our own choice in life and death you still have a chance your still his child he still loves you and will always love you your cursed and live with out anything and your god does nothing for you but time after time you bow Down and beg your god to Come and help you but the truth is he will never help you because he’s not your true father and you Wher lied to by Saten the devil ask your self why you have come to hate if all you do is love and worship your false god if hate is all he has given you what’s the point are all men to live in hate and never have peace to love all life even when one has fallen from the fathers grace why? Why is hate all your god gives you! mine the one true father over all creation gave me freedom to stand and choose to find and love him and he has blessed me in many ways his love never stops giving here on earth and I don’t have to die for him or kill for him or hate for him all I have to do is love him repent for my sins and believe in his son when he sent him to die for our sins my father loves me so much he died for me how many of you have to die before your god sees you love him or is it hate for him

      • Pepper Wingate

        The State of Israel is legal. The occupation by the Jordanian Army was illegal. Get it straight!

        • PurpleIssa

          I wish you saw it from their perspective. To them, you came from another continent, claimed their land based on an assumption that you are ancient Israelis, and have bled the region and crushed its hopes. I hope you understand how important it is to do this for peace, view the other perspective, especially since your perspective has been all over the media for decades and can be blinding to the dispair these people feel. Ever thought how far a people must be pushed to go on stabbing and violent seemingly “random” sprees?

          The Levant is a crushed region, bloodied by foreign powers meddling in its affairs, artificially keeping one group above all, and if we don’t see that how can we find peace among each other?

          • Pepper Wingate

            What other continent? Jews were living in Jerusalem (the Jewish Quarter) for centuries. Over half the Jews in Israel are Mizrahi (Jews driven out of the other countries of the Middle East). The few Ashkenazi Jews arrived in Israel just a few years after the gates of the Death Camps were opened. Where else could they go? They were living in Auschwitz which had been turned into a DP camp.
            There were more Jews expelled from Middle Eastern countries than Arabs who left homes in Israel.
            Look at Pakistan. Millions were displaced in the partition of India and Pakistan. It was bloody. But nobody is trying to drive the Indians into the sea.
            Jews in Israel are all refugees. Even those whose families lived in Jerusalem for centuries were uprooted by the Jordanians, their homes destroyed and their cemeteries and synagogues levelled. They have a strong democracy in which Arabs, Druze, Jews and Christians participate, elect representatives and have access to the courts and government. They have a strong economy. Their army, navy and air force has defended them through 70 years of genocidal warfare, none of which Israel started. They are leaders in innovation in Information technology, medicine, water conservation and treatment, and many other areas. In education, Jews do better than Muslims in Israel but Christians do better than both. It’s not skewed.
            Arab refugees, despite being the best funded refugees in the world and being able to inherit refugee status unlike any other group of refugees in the world, have been stolen from by their leaders and kept in poverty. Their desperation can be laid firmly at the doors of their leaders and the surrounding Arab states.

          • PurpleIssa

            Few? There are about 2.8 million Askenazi Jews in Israel, and a quick look at the political elite of Israel also reveals that they make up a great chunk of those in power. Netanyahu himself is Polish. Wonder how a Palestinian feels about a Polish person telling them the village their family lived in for millennia is now rightfully his? Please try to understand the other side. How many more have to die? How much more blood must be spilled into the soil of this deeply hurt land? How many more kids like this? When will you get this, you are wiping a whole people out of existence who are deeply rooted in the land and most likely atleast partially decend from the Ancient Israelites, as well as Canaanites/Pheonicians, Arabs, Greeks. Simply because they did not choose to be referred to as Israel or because they converted to other religions throughout history does not make them less legitimate. We must make this clear.

            As for the Middle-Eastern Jews, they have lived alongside Muslims and Christians throughout the Middle Ages in the Middle East, North Africa and Al-Andalus and occupied top places in government offices. They coexisted up until Zionism increased its influence and with the establishment of the colonial entity “Israel” being the “last draw”, the exhuasted and defeated Arabs accross the Arab World began fighting the Jews and vice versa as the issue deepened. What else do you expect a people who have JUST come out of colonialism to react? Send you flowers and the keys to their house? They will fight for whatever they have left and that is what Palestinians are doing till today. This is why I ask you to forget labels for a minute and see things historically and with their context. The word Palestine being of Roman origin does not make the people who use the world any less real. Get it?

            It is common for older Palestinian men and women to talk about Palestinian Jews before Zionism, and how beautiful the co-existance was.

            Please. Stop wiping these people who might be closer to the Jewish movement, the land, and its other inhabitants than you ever thought.

          • betz55

            Jews were living in Jerusalem (the Jewish Quarter) for centuries. Why yes, and Arabs in Palestine in Jerusalem were living in the Arab Quarter. The Israeli wants herself and her state to be treated as normal decent human beings? Let them act like it first and end their barbarism against the Palestinians. Until then they deserve scorn, contempt, isolation and sanctions. Until then they aren’t entitled to even one iota of respect.

            No person in any setting or for any reason should be compelled to associate with a citizen of a country that is brutally oppressing and dispossessing a people whom it is belligerently and illegally occupying.

            The face of the Zionist entity is worth watching –the face of an entitled bully surprised by the absence of obeisance.

            If you want Palestinians to accept Israel’s existence, you must show that Israel’s existence does not preclude a viable Palestinian state. All the rest is commentary.

          • Pepper Wingate

            What exactly are you asking for? In 1948 Jews offered Arabs a peace treaty. It was refused. …I am not going to reiterate the number of times Jews have attempted to make peace and it has been refused. The absence of obeisance is in the opposite direction. Jews are no longer dhimmies. If you attack them, they will fight back. They have a state of their own. They can defend themselves. No longer can mobs of Arabs storm through the town or the nation murdering, raping and stealing. That’s now a characteristic of Pakistan and will not be permitted in Israel.

          • Mike Abramov

            May I ask what the Arabs were doing before 1948. Living in harmony….I think not. The bottom line is that the Arabs believed that they would win the 1948 war, and they didn’t. Since then, they have been wallowing in self-pity. The Jews have been murdered, exiled forcefully converted, ghettoed and almost suffered mass extermination.

            What did they do after 1,500 years of persecution? Just got on with things.

        • Kyle Renner

          The Jews ethnically cleansed and stole land that they had no right to. Not even an inch outside of the 6% that they actually bought.

          The “state of Israel” is only “legal” on that 6%. Get it straight!

          • Pepper Wingate

            Legal shmegal! They now own it all and have the army to enforce it. Get that straight!

          • Kyle Renner

            Boring. Ridiculous.

            You don’t care about facts or international law, I get that. But I don’t have to tolerate your idiocy.

          • Pepper Wingate

            Why should I when no one here responds to facts with anything but lies made from whole cloth and ignores legal rulings that disagree with their preconceived notions. Israel is legal and all the things done by the Israeli government are legal. They occasionally pause from doing something that is completely legal simply because it does not seem morally justified by their high standards. But you don’t care. You want to destroy the state of Israel despite the fact that that is completely illegal and the thought is ridiculous.

          • betz55

            Yes, Pepper, let’s talk about ‘legality’ by all means. Looks like you needs a refresher in international law:

            Reviewing a few facts of international law relating to occupation, and Israel’s blatant and constant violations of them, may be helpful:

            Law: An occupying power must not move its own citizens permanently onto the occupied nation’s land. Temporarily housing soldiers on a short-term basis there to maintain peace and the safety of the occupied people is allowed.
            Israeli violations: Israel has moved over half a million Israelis into the West Bank, and Israeli Prime Murderer Benjamin Netanyahu has stated categorically that not one of them will be removed.

            Law: The people of the occupied lands must not be displaced permanently.
            Israeli violations: Millions of Palestinians have been forced from their homes to make room for illegal Israeli settlers.

            Law: The culture of the occupied land must be respected.
            Israeli violations: Israel has done much to destroy and obliterate the culture of Palestine. The destruction of entire towns and villages, mosques and historical sites is ongoing. In one particularly egregious example, Israel bulldozed the ancient Ma’man Allah cemetery, dating at least to the 12th century and possibly earlier, and constructed a ‘Museum of Tolerance’ on the site.

            Law: The occupying power must ensure the safety of the occupied peoples.
            Israeli violations: Bombing the Gaza Strip, breaking into the homes of Palestinians in the West Bank at all hours of the day and night, arresting men, women and children without charge, shooting peaceful protesters in the back, cannot be seen as ensuring their safety, and protesting these atrocious crimes does not make one anti-Semitic.

          • betz55

            No they don’t. Israel has painted themselves into a corner, surrounded by states that loathe them. Their hubris, arrogance and sense of entitlement based on the ridiculous credo of “God’s chosen people”, has left them discredited, unmasked, de-legitimized, scorned, reduced to a diplomatic dwarf, maniacally messianic fanatics, laughed at and alienated from the rest of the international community. That will be their legacy.

            Clearing it out is a daunting task because so much of it is so deeply entrenched garbage and sewage, but yes, we can.

        • Kyle Renner

          The Jordanian occupation of East Jerusalem simply wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for the land-grab campaign initiated by the Yishuv. Simple as that!

          • Pepper Wingate

            So you tried to drive them into the sea. How’s that working for you?

          • Kyle Renner

            It’s funny because that never happened. That’s a myth concocted by the pro-Israel camp to try and hide from the fact that it was you who committed the eliminationist actions.

            See also– the pathetic mewling of “Palestinians aren’t real” for some 70 years.

          • Pepper Wingate

            So you say! I have seen copies of documents that disprove your denials.
            It might also interest you to know that the “Palestinian” chant, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.” Echoes the same goal. No change for 70 years. I repeat, “How’s that working for you?”

          • betz55

            Oh Pepper, poor, poor, Pepper. These arguments and slogans have become clichés and inside jokes, the classics include: “Israel made the desert bloom”
            “There was never a state called Palestine”
            Or my favorite:
            “A land without a people, for a people without a land.”
            This last one I find especially entertaining, as it clashes so terribly with other hasbaric Israeli talking points. In the end it amounts to something similar to “We are under existential threat from the people who don’t exist.

            Of course, silly me, Israelis are facing constant threats: Iran, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Arab citizens, the Left, left-wing NGOS. And of course, the greatest threat of all: peace plans.

          • Mike Abramov

            Correct – there was never a state called Palestine. It was in fact a region aligned withe current Syria since 135 AD. There was never a nationality called Palestinian until 1967.

    • audentiorwatcher

      Pray tell us where your Great Grandparents are buried?

      • Pepper Wingate

        And your point would be…?
        If you are asking for historic proof of the continuous presence of Jews in Israel, you might look at the historical and archaeological record. Jews fought on the walls of Jerusalem against the Crusaders. They have been in Israel and Jerusalem consistently. The Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem was occupied consistently for centuries until the Jordanian Army removed the Jews. Their grandparents graves were removed and their homes razed and synagogues demolished to deny Jewish presence in Jerusalem. Is that what you are getting at?
        A very poor attempt at deflection.

        • Gareth Woods

          This desecration of graves is exactly what is happening to Palestinian graveyards that are on land confiscated by settlers. It is as if they are attempting to erase the history of Palestine and start over with a blank sheet of paper, but the Word is not that gullible. From the vitriolic and racist language used by the settlers when questioned on the desecration of graveyards or any other slight against the Palestinian population, it is as if a raw nerve is being touched. Could this be guilt and a nagging fear that what they are doing will one day come back to haunt them??

          • Pepper Wingate

            What’s your point? What there makes the destruction of Jewish cemeteries right? What makes the expulsion of a people who lived there for centuries right? They were just Jews so that’s Okay?

          • betz55

            What there makes the destruction of Muslim cemeteries right? What makes the expulsion of a people who lived there for centuries right? They were just Palestinians/Arabs so that’s Okay?

          • Gareth Woods

            No, the destruction of any cemetery is not OK. You are rather unskillfully trying to turn this conversation back in to a ‘Jewish victim’ narrative. Israel claims to be a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, but all too often the behaviour of the Zionist settlers/squatters is that of hooligans and thugs. Hardly a good example for up coming generations of children on either side of the conflict. The conflict will be perpetuated to the detriment of all, but that is what Israel wants, may be, as they have the planes, bombs and heavily armed troops on the ground?

    • David, what is the problem with your capital city having a mosque, or a church. Any free society allows freedom of worship, and any city would have diverse worship houses.

      • Pepper Wingate

        First put the synagogues back! Then we can talk.

        • So, in Jerusalem there are no synagogues? That is hard to belive.

          • Pepper Wingate

            THOSE IN THE JEWISH QUARTER WERE DEMOLISHED BY THE JORDANIANS.

          • Once again, are you telling me that there are absolutely no synagogues in any part of Jerusalem?

          • Gehennah

            Found a website showing some, I did link it on another post but its on moderation.

            But yeah, they have them.

          • I live in a suburb of Phoenix, and I know of 4 synagogues here. There is one mosque, and of course a lot of churches.

            It just amazes me to no end that Pepper can not find a synagogue in Jerusalem. I know Jerusalem is a nice modern city, and they probably have GPS. Maybe he needs to go ahead and use that to find a synagogue.

          • Gehennah

            4 Ben Baba, 3 Hamekubalim Street, or the Shaare Zedek Medical Center, if he needed addresses to some there.

          • Pepper Wingate

            The American education system is sadly lacking, Flower. You have totally misread what I said and I suspect that it was deliberate. Centuries old houses of worship in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem were demolished by the Jordanian Army when they forcibly evicted Jews from their homes of centuries. Those, the homes and the cemeteries were proof that Jews had lived in Jerusalem continuously for centuries.
            Jews have had much experience of packing up and leaving a place to establish places of worship elsewhere. That is not the point, nor was it ever.
            I am looking forward to the day when Hezbollah and Hamas fires a rocket and it strikes the Al-Aqsa Mosque. But then, people like you, with fewer brains than the Lord threw at little geese, will blame Israel.

        • Kyle Renner

          Jerusalem is for Christians and Muslims. You’ve lost your right to build even one new synagogue in that city.

          Forcibly evict all the rabble who call themselves “settlers” from Jerusalem and all of the Palestinian West Bank, and then maybe you can build your synagogue.

  • Stanley Cohen

    To fu cking bad. It’s time to end the unjust Arab occupation of Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria. Enough is enough. Send them all back to Saudi Arabia.

    • Michael Stones

      It’s the Zionist’s that are the ILLEGAL occupiers of Palestine

      • Charllys Charles

        Palestinians are not the owners of the land. It belongs to the Jews. Palestinians are the illegal occupiers of the Palestine. Read the Bible if you are a believer or go study history.

        • Michael Stones

          Well Charllys I’m absolutely NOT a believer it’s one of the greatest scams in history and as for studying History I think it’s you that needs to do that, but if you can provide actual facts and back them up with proof I’m quite prepared to change my point of view
          Regards
          Michael

          • Charllys Charles

            Well, you said you’re “absolutely NOT a believer ” and that the story from the Bible about the Jews being actual owners of the land is “one of the greatest scams in history.” If you could not believe biblical events and testimonies, so it’s the recent history of the Jews and Palestinians you would believe. You’ve made up your mind. No point convincing you.

          • Michael Stones

            No Charllys it’s also the ancient history of the area and I cannot find a map of “Israel” that goes back very far, there is however several maps of ancient Palestina and as I have said if you can provide proof that I’m wrong I’ll change my point of view, that’s the difference between us..
            Regards
            Michael

      • Ebola1900

        Why is it that the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world constantly accuse Israel of occupying Palestinian lands when over 90% of the region labeled as “Palestine” on those pre-World War I maps is now encompassed in other Muslim countries? Why don’t all these counties that claim to support the Palestinians just give the “Palestinian” lands in their possession to their Palestinian brothers? Oh that’s right, the only time any Arab countries ever ceded any rights to any land to the Palestinians was AFTER it had already been lost to Israel.

        • John Morgan

          I think it’s more about hate then it is about land they are simply there To taunt hate and tarrorise Hebrews/Jew’s they want to divide the land and destroy it because YHWH said Israel will remain a nation till the end of days to divide it up would better disprove the one true god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob same reason they bricked up the entry way Jesus came in to Jerusalem on a donkey and every one lay down palm leafs at his feet they even placed graves in front of it because Jesus said when he comes back as the lion to take his throne he will come back through there the same way and that’s how we will know he is the one true massiah Jacob wrote in his Scrolls before Hebrews where ever slaves that the Messiah will come as a lamb but be back as the lion that’s why Jesus teaches us to keep the Torah the truth behind the Torah and the feast explain in simbolic the beganing of creation to the end and that’s why we should keep the Torah and recite the feast now I’m not saying go sacrifice a lamb when we celibate the feast but to go and buy the lamb meat the truth is if we keep the Torah we will better know the coming of

          • Michael Stones

            Oh that old song again change the record will you, and your whole message here is based on a lie there is no such thing as god

          • Pepper Wingate

            Why? you keep playing the counter refrain of Poor Pallys who are so abused by the Israelis. (There’s no such thing as Michael Stones.)

          • betz55

            You’re quite right they shouldn’t have to pelt the israelis with inaccurate rockets. Please donate your money today to enable the Palestinians to use the same tanks, F16s, Apache helicopters, tanks, bulldozers, snipers, rubber bullets, white phosphorus and accurate rifles and other killing paraphenalia so they can also ‘mow the lawn’ just like the israelis do every couple of years to the Gazans.

            One wonders if you would consider it terrorism if Palestinian soldiers routinely broke into the homes of Israelis in the middle of the night, ransacked the homes and arrested all the males in them over the age of 10. Yet Israeli soldiers commit these crimes on a daily basis against Palestinians in the West Bank.

            Would you think it an act of terrorism, if Palestinians drove bulldozers up to the home of an Israeli family, and advised them to leave immediately, because their house was going to be demolished? Israel does this to Palestinians hundreds of times a year.

            If Palestinians went to Israeli reservoirs, on which Israeli families relied for drinking water, and contaminated them with dead chickens and human feces, would you feel that was an act of terrorism? Would you feel bad if Palestinians simply destroyed those reservoirs? Israelis do this to Palestinians on a regular basis.

            If Palestinians, in specially-equipped trucks, drove to a neighborhood elementary school, and sprayed sewage all over the school, adjacent residential buildings, and any people who couldn’t run out of the way quickly enough, would you object to that as terrorism? Palestinians suffer under this treatment from Israelis.

            So, perhaps, in your twisted little mind, it is only Israelis who can be victimized; after all, you will readily tell us, remember the Holocaust! Never again! Oh, that means ‘never again’ to Israelis; but such crimes against others,especially Palestinians, are just fine.

          • Pepper Wingate

            In 1948 a rag tag group of refugees stood against the six mightiest armies the Arabs could raise. They withstood them. For the past 70 years, the State of Israel has survived. You can tell me all about Hezbollah and the Iranians going to wipe Israel off the map. Clearly Israel has a stronger force than any other on the Earth backing them. All the money in Saudi and the Gulf States will not stand against them.
            If you really cared about the “Palestinians” you would let them assimilate in to the other states surrounding Israel. Israelis would have happily aided them and employed them in businesses like Soda Stream. They are kept hungry and abused by their own people. They are treated by their own people, like dogs, attack dogs.

          • betz55

            Israel was born out of Jewish terrorism by Stern Gang, Haganah, and Irgun. Its nascent actions were terrorism, pure and simple. Zionism, like Nazism and Communism is bound for total failure.

            Zionism and its supporters are against the forces of history. Yes, Israel will wither away not because of threats from the Palestinians, Hezbollah or Iran, but because Israel and its sponsors and supporters are simply racists with contempt for the rest of the world and mankind.

            Killing, murdering, racial and religious ethnic cleansing, Jewish only roads, poisoning water wells, demolitions of homes, kidnapping of tens of thousands, jailing hundreds of thousands without charge stealing others lands and properties and destroying their farms are not Jewish values.

            Israel is the last colonial power and it will not last too long. Israelis, especially American settlers, better start booking seats back home to their home countries. Israel is the ugly face of Judaism.

            Zionism is the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians from ‘Jewish’ land. You can’t accuse Hamas while ignoring all the right wingers in Israel who call for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. You’re a hypocrite and not very good one at that.

            And listen very carefully Pepper and stop being ignorant. Hamas and Hezbollah each can credit its origin to Israeli occupation. Hamas was born on the eve of the first Palestinian Intifada, from a single incident when an Israeli truck mowed—some claim deliberately—into a carload of Palestinian workers in the Gaza strip. Officially formed in 1985, Hezbollah, in turn, was jumpstarted by Israel’s 1982 invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon.

          • Pepper Wingate

            And America was born out of terrorism by Washington and Franklin and the gang. The USSR had its own terrorists. My Scotland had Robbie the Bruce and Wallace. The Arab revolt was a terrorist revolt from T E Lawrence. What’s your point? They have had 70 years of being revolting. It has impoverished their people and gained them less than nothing.
            “Leave your homes while we drive the Jews into the sea.”
            “We will never negotiate with Israel.”
            How’s that working for you?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Ashkenazi = 99.9% European! Period!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Did the Kenyans want to drive the British to the sea – or they just wanted them gone home? Did the Kenyans hate the British because they were British or because they were foreign Europeans colonizing their land and controlling their lives? Similarly, the Ashkenazi in Palestine is a foreign European colonial settler who is colonizing their land and controlling and terrorizing them. Is there any other people who would sit back and do nothing when foreigners invade their land? There is none! The theft of Palestine is indefensible.

          • Helen4Yemen

            If Palestinians are not the natives, do you think the natives are
            Scheinermann or Mileikowsky or Smilansky?

          • Helen4Yemen

            How Middle Eastern is the Ashkenazi? 0%
            How European is the Ashkenazi? 99.9%
            Does DNA lie?

            Tony Kushner DNA
            97.5% Ashkenazi
            0.1% Finnish
            0.1% Scandanvian
            2.2% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Rabbi Hammerman DNA
            97.2% Ashkenazi
            0.8% East European
            0.2% Southern European
            1.7% Broadly European
            0.1% Native American
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

          • Pepper Wingate

            Tony Kushner lies!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Dershowitz
            98. 5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            Source: PBS

          • Pepper Wingate

            Complete imbecility! Your figures look like somebody made this out of whole cloth!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why is it so hard for white European Ashkenazi to discover that their DNA is white European? Imagine Nigerians being surprised by their DNA results that shows they are African. Among the people of the world,only the Ashkenazi rejects his DNA report because it is always 99% European and 0% Middle East. Here is an actual DNA report for Harry Katz at 99% European and 0% Middle East. And instead of dismissing what I have posted above as “made this out of whole cloth!”, why not post a DNA result of any Ashkenazi that shows otherwise? Because you can’t! There are no Ashkenaz DNA that have less than 99% European score – OR ELSE PROVE ME WRONG AND POST ONE THAT DOES..

            https://www*ancestry*com/dna/ethnicity/E59C79DB-8EFC-4051-9878-5E78B6DFE86D/share/e3f7a96f-3e0f-4aa2-8b42-6a50874ce6f8/9cc5e907-5c6c-4572-95f2-1992625918dc

            (replace * with dot)

          • Helen4Yemen

            What was the reason for the “rag tag” of EUROPEAN refugees to land on Arab land? Are they not totally Europeans?

            At 0% ancestry ties to Palstine but at 99.9% ancestry to Europe, what is the Ashkenazi doing on Arab land? I thought Hitler had been dead for decades? Why not go home to where your 99.9% of your DNA is from?

            Tony Kushner DNA
            97.5% Ashkenazi
            0.1% Finnish
            0.1% Scandanvian
            2.2% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Rabbi Hammerman DNA
            97.2% Ashkenazi
            0.8% East European
            0.2% Southern European
            1.7% Broadly European
            0.1% Native American
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Joseph Cohen DNA
            96.2% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Eastern European
            0.1% N. European
            0.1% SouthernEuropean
            3.0% Broady European
            0.1% East Asian
            0.1% Unassigned
            0.0% Middle East
            99.8% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Alan Dershowitz DNA
            98. 5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

          • Pepper Wingate

            Why don’t you go to Yemen?

          • Helen4Yemen

            S H O O!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why not the Ashkenazi create a state on his own EUROPEAN land? Why is the EUROPEAN on Arab land?

          • Pepper Wingate

            Up until the 1930’s Jews were in the majority in Palestine. Zionism brought Arabs who came for European wages.
            Just because Ottomans ruled doesn’t mean that it wasn’t Jewish land.

        • Michael Stones

          “AFTER it had already been lost to Israel.” how could it be “LOST” if it was Jewish land as they keep on claiming (falsely)

          • Pepper Wingate

            You tell the most outrageous lies!
            Your reasoning is faulty and only intended to get you to the point where you want to go, no matter how convoluted!

          • betz55

            Stupid hasbaric lunacy. Ignore.

          • Pepper Wingate

            What? No answer? You can’t debate a woman even with convoluted logic and lies and canned historians?

          • betz55

            Can you not read my other replies?

          • Pepper Wingate

            Each more moronic than the other. I keep looking for a glimmer of intellect or understanding.

          • Ebola1900

            Check the pre and post war borders before and after Israel was attacked by the surrounding Arab states first in 1948 and then again in 1967. Under the UN mandate, most of the “occupied territories” were parts of Jordan and Syria. Despite the fact that more than 85% of the territory labeled “Palestine” remains in Arab territory, the only areas “ceded” to the Palestinians by any of these countries were the tiny portions taken over by Israel in response to being attacked by their Arab neighbors. It is also worth noting that the people living under Israeli “occupation” in the Golan Heights, (which had been part of Syria) have repeatedly declared they don’t want to be returned to Syrian control, or handed over to the Palestinians. If the Palestinians simply stop trying to destroy Israel, (which is the explicit goal of Hamas), they could immediately begin to live in peace in both the West Bank and Gaza, which Israel already handed over to them. Instead, of building a nation, the Palestinians continue to build weapons with the express goal of accomplishing the goal they expressed in 1948. Destroy Israel and drive all the Jews into the ocean.

      • Stanley Cohen

        No, it’s the Arabs that don’t belong there. Arabs are from Arabia. It’s time for the invaders to go home. Enough is enough.

        • mary

          Palestinians are from PALESTINE, just like syrians are from SYRIA, libanese from LEBANON etc. they all speak different versions of arabic but come from different places, get it in your fricken head!

          • Daphna Jericho Rubin

            What was the capital of Palestine? What was the currency? Palestine is the mythical “ghost nation” created by modern-day Muslims in an attempt to try and undo and destroy the legitimate Jewish state of Israel that has existed for the last 3,500 years.

          • mary

            The capital of palestine is jerusalem and past currency was palestinian pound, after the illegal israeli entity was imposed on the palestinian the currency was changed to israeli lira! No matter how much you want it, you can never change history!

          • Pepper Wingate

            How can you read the inscription on the coin? it’s in Hebrew!

          • Michael Stones

            Maps please

          • Pepper Wingate

            Strictly from Hunger! The real Palestinians are Jews!

        • Gareth Woods

          And Ashenazi Jews are from Europe, it is time for them to go home. Enough is enough.

          • Pepper Wingate

            Not so. Jewish presence in Israel is well documented.

          • Gareth Woods

            Judaism is a religion, not a nationality or race, so your argument is total nonsense, just as those of all the Zionist trolls that one encounters.Using some ancient scriptures of doubtful provenance to justify stealing land and resources would not stand up to scrutiny in any court of law in the West.

          • Pepper Wingate

            You can’t have it both ways. One woman is arguing that Ashkenazi Jews aren’t real Jews because they don’t have the correct DNA signature and now you say this.
            I don’t go back to the scriptures to prove right to the land except as it pertains to their rights as indigenous persons. That carries a lot of weight but there is also the legal ownership from the Balfour Declaration on which establishes a solid chain of evidence of Jewish ownership of Israel, the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria.
            But then you would argue anything to make your point. There’s no point to anti-Israel arguments save, “Destroy Israel!”, “There will never be a Jewish homeland.”, “Muslims occupied the Middle East and there will never be another religion permitted in land that Muslims owned.”, “Jews are dhimmis, and must stay that way!” and, of course, “Israel is rich. Let’s get us a piece of that!”.
            Zionist troll? You say the nicest things! You’ll turn a girl’s head, you will!

          • betz55

            So is the Arab presence and the Palestinian presence. 10-15% of Jews in the world are actually of Semitic blood—the rest being European or Eastern European converts for the most part. Arab and other indigenous peoples of the Middle East, and Palestine in particular, are of Semitic blood being descended from the tribe of Abraham.

            E. European Jews are a Slavo-Turkic population, whose connection to Palestine is completely mythological.

            Ashkenazi are the biggest lie this world has seen, they have no connection to Palestine and have violently occupied in the name of religion yet somehow it is the palestinian’s fault.

            Ashkenazi elite that dominate Israel are of Eastern European descent and have no historical claims to Palestine. Its the biggest secret no pro-Israeli wants people to know.

            The biggest lie today that Israel doesnt want people to know is that Ashkenazi elite that dominate Israeli society are of European descent and have no historical claim to Palestine. Thats like a Canadian converting to Judaism and believing he has historical claim to Palestine, this has caused natives of Palestine that have lived their thousands of years to lose their home and property.

            If being Jewish is a religion, no modern Jew practices the same religion as the ancient Jews. So there is no religious basis for Israel.

            If being Jewish is an ethnicity, European Jews have no genetic relationship to the ancient Jews, Israelites, Judeans or Hebrews.

            The European (Askenazi) Jews are descended from a Turkish group called the Kazars that adopted a form of Talmudic Judaism sometime in the 7th or 8th centuries for political and economic purposes. So there is no Jewish ethnic legitimacy for Israel.

            The fact is that there is no legitimate argument for “Israel”.

            The fact is that the European Jews are not Semitic. Ironically, gene/DNA tests taken in Israel have proven that. The only true validity for Israel is “might makes right” just like apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany.

            80 percent of all Jews are Ashkenazim and have no personal ancestry in Judaea, whatsoever. Arabs are Semites, but the Ashkenazim are not. But thanks for asking.

        • delete esto

          stupid re turd

      • Pepper Wingate

        Absolutely not!

    • Gareth Woods

      And by the same token send all the Ashkenazi Jews back to Germany, Poland and Russia for this is where they came from. Very few in Israel can claim to have any ancestral link to the Holy Land as they are the descendants of votive Jews who converted to Judaism for whatever reason. They have no more right to Jerusalem than all the World’s Catholics have a right to live in Rome. It is all so much made up Zionist nonsense. Truly devout Jews will not live in Jerusalem or Israel because they know the Torah!

      • Pepper Wingate

        Where was your family from Crete? I doubt that your ancestors were from where you live now. Populations migrate. Indigenous populations have certain rights. Jews are indigenous to Israel. Historical and archaeological records place them there. There has been a continuous presence for over 3000 years. Religious rites tie them to Jerusalem and Hebron. You, chum, are swimming against the tide of Truth.

    • Kyle Renner

      Oh, look. Another freak who demonstrates what zionism is all about. You’re mentally ill, like almost all afflicted with that disorder.

      • Stanley Cohen

        Oh, look. Another Canadian a$$wipe from Ontario who forgets what his countrymen did to the poor French people of Quebec. Go play ice hockey, you moron.

    • betz55

      Better yet, ship all those illegal settler terrorist squats to the Negev who complain, burn land, tear down olive trees, burn mosques, run over, kill, and beat Palestinians and let them be ‘pioneers’ there. They deserve to wander in their own desert for the next 40 years.

      Eventually a couple good things will come out of this. The Palestinians will eventually have to thank the Israelis for building them all those nice houses free of charge and of course the Jews can stay and live in Palestine if they want to but they will be subject to Palestinians laws – up to and including home dispossession.

      And one more thing, for how long did you think that Israel would be allowed to arrest and piss on Palestinian children, steal and destroy Palestinian land, enforce a barbaric siege against Gaza, murder peaceful protesters, look the other way while settlers murder Palestinians with impunity and just get away with it?

      The Palestinians are not the problem, Israel, their failed policies, oppression of legitimite heirs to Palestine, apartheid and ethnic cleansing, the ragtag IDF, and the systematic effort to wipe out a culture and people who were there before them is the problem.

      Israel is the problem. And until you get it HMp. Israel will go on destroying itself, if not demographically, then morally. Is that clear enough for an obtuse people like you to understand? Good.

    • Helen4Yemen

      At 0% ancestry ties to Palstine but at 99.9% ancestry to Europe, what is the Ashkenazi doing on Arab land? I thought Hitler had been dead for decades? Why not go home to where your 99.9% of your DNA is from?

      Tony Kushner DNA
      97.5% Ashkenazi
      0.1% Finnish
      0.1% Scandanvian
      2.2% Broadly European
      0.1% East Asian
      99.9% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

      Rabbi Hammerman DNA
      97.2% Ashkenazi
      0.8% East European
      0.2% Southern European
      1.7% Broadly European
      0.1% Native American
      99.9% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

      Joseph Cohen DNA
      96.2% Ashkenazi
      0.4% Eastern European
      0.1% N. European
      0.1% SouthernEuropean
      3.0% Broady European
      0.1% East Asian
      0.1% Unassigned
      0.0% Middle East
      99.8% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

      Alan Dershowitz DNA
      98. 5% Ashkenazi
      0.4% Southern European
      0.1% Balkan
      0.9% Broadly European
      0.1% East Asian
      99.9% European
      0.0% Middle Eastern

  • The idea of total religious cleansing of worship centers in this area is equal to religious genocide. How can a group of people claim land they refused to inhabit for hundreds of years while the Palestinians have never left the land. I suppose if the Ottoman’s came back they could just claim all of the ME then huh. If tearing down a place of worship is not an act of war it at least is an act of unprovoked aggression and religious racism.

    • Pepper Wingate

      You moron! The religious cleansing of worship centres in this area came from the Jordanian Army on Jewish Synagogues that had been there for centuries. Jews have never left the land! The act of war was over 70 years ago and it was the Arabs who provoked it. It’s a genocidal war and they will not stop until the last Jew is dead. Get your facts straight!

      • Gareth Woods

        Having read The General’s Son by Miko Peled I know that what you are spouting is Zionist propaganda with little or no basis in truth. The Israeli propaganda machine is well oiled by $millions. How can you possibly justify the demeaning treatment of Palestinians by the settler/squatter movement and the IDF? You would hope that people whose parents or grandparents had suffered in 1930s Germany and later in Eastern Europe, would not now be emulating the behaviour of their former persecutors. History is there to teach us lessons, repeating the mistakes of others indicates that Israelis do not understand this.

        • Pepper Wingate

          Can’t answer it so it must be propaganda. There are many news reports from the time that detail the things I reference. Do your work and don’t just quote from a canned source that is itself pure propaganda.

          • betz55

            You act like none of here can Google, read or disseminate information. Do your work and don’t just quote from a canned source that is itself pure propaganda…er hasbara. Get out of your cubicle, get some education.

        • Michael Abramov

          Stop comparing what happened in Nazi Germany to the current situation in Israel. There is no comparison.

          The problem with the Arabs is that they have a problem with living with Jews. The 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1976 wars were all the result of the provocation by the Arab states especially in 1973 when they invaded on Yom Kippur.

          Now that Gaza is an autonomy, Israel has to deal with the incessant firing of rockets in to civilian territories. It is the Arabs that have failed to learn from history.

          • betz55

            Oh stop the BS – Minna Weizmann was born in present-day Motal, Belarus (then part of the Russian Empire) to a prominent family. Her parents were Oizer and Rachel Czermerinsky Weizmann. Weizmann’s most famous sibling was Chaim Weizmann, the President of Zionist Organization, Chaim would go on to become the first president of the state of Israel, while Minna’s nephew Ezer would serve as its seventh.

            That lineage may also explain why Minna has been largely excised from the history books, and even from the Weizmann family’s memory (Chaim made not a single reference to his sister in his memoirs); for “the first family of Israel” to count among its members someone who not only spied for Germany but whose spymaster lover went on to become a senior Nazi diplomat is surely one of those awkward family stories best left untold. In 1914, she met Curt Prufer, who recruited her to be a spy in British Egypt for Germany. Weizmann was caught during one of her missions in Italy and sent back to Egypt.

            Repeat – her lover was Curt Prüfer, a German diplomat in Cairo with espionage connections who deployed Minna Weizmann — a seldom-mentioned sister of Chaim Weizmann, Israel’s first president — as a pro-German spy.

            Nazi – Konzentrationslagers – concentration camps
            Israel – Gaza

            Nazi – Kadavergehorsam – zombie like obedience to Hitler
            Israel – zombie like obedience to Netanyahoo and the Occupation

            Nazi – Schutzhaft – imprisonment without proceedings
            Israel – beating, killing, assasinations without proceedings

            Nazi – Sippenhaft – exacting revenge on one’s family
            Israel – demolishing family house of an accused Palestinian

            Nazi – Lebebsraum
            Israel – natural growth

          • Mike Abramov

            Are you an extreme left-winger by any chance?

            I am not here to defend the choices people make in life even though they made a mistake. Do you know how many Jews ended up quite senior in the Nazi Party by virtue of manipulating their history? Many. They are bad Jews. Every nation has bad elements.

            The reason why Israel’s intelligence is so good is because they have dozens of Palestinians on the payroll. This is called ‘life’.

            However, if you are going to compare Israel to the Nazis, I understand. You are young, probably American and live in a country that has ethnically cleansed the land of the indigenous population…but that’s OK, isn’t it?

          • betz55

            It sure is, it’s 2017 not 1817. The reason why Israel’s intelligence (oxymoron) is so bad is because they have dozens of idiots and morons on the payroll called the IDF. This is called Occupation.

          • Michael Abramov

            Now you are talking like an idiot. If you are unable to have a sensible rapport on this site, don’t bother. However I will address your ‘points’.

            You have admitted to living on land that was ‘ethnically cleansed’ without a sense of guilt because it happened a hundred years ago. Well, I suppose that because the native Americans were murdered ‘en masse’ over 100 years ago, you have no issues with historic crimes.

            So, why is it OK for you Americans to massacre millions of native Americans and be able to sleep at night while the Israelis are mostly defending their land.

            As for intelligence, if you have had some medical treatment recently, in possession of a cell phone or own a computer, you should be grateful that Israel exists. Much of your everyday items and medical treatments were the result of the Israeli scientists research.

          • Michael Stones

            Not their land and never was

          • Michael Abramov

            So Mr. Stones. When was Palestine a sovereign state?

          • Michael Stones

            show me a map of Israel that’s older than all the map’s of Palestina or go and hassle someone else

          • Michael Abramov

            OK – I now have a troll tailing me. Answer the points or go and hassle someone else.

          • Gareth Woods

            Read ‘The General’s Son’ by Miko Peled and you will find out that Israel always starts wars on Israel’s terms. I used to admire Israel when all I knew was the orthodox propaganda version of history. I know different now. Israel is the aggressor state in the Middle East, but in typical cry bully fashion always blames its’ heighbours for starting wars. Even the Yom Kippur War has a distinct whiff of Israeli manipulation about many aspects of how it started, at an ideal time to be able to bleat about being the ‘victim’ of these devious Arab attackers. As if any modern state would switch allow its’ military to stand down or lower its’ guard for a holiday!

          • Michael Abramov

            There are many Miko Peleds in Israel and the rest of the world. I am used to reading about renegade Israelis and Jews who are anti-Zionist.

            As for your analysis of the Yom Kippur War, I beg to differ. Did Poland know that it was going to be invaded on the 1st of September 1939? No. You must be rational when you say things like Israel knew about this war because your suggestion is that Israel deliberately left it’s citizens unguarded on the most holy day of the Jewish year.

            It’s like saying that English army can all go home for Xmas knowing that England was going to be invaded.

          • Gareth Woods

            Dismissing Miko Peled as just another ‘renegade Israeli’ takes the biscuit! Just read his book before you try to present the orthodox Zionist version of Israel’s recent history as ‘truth’, or at least watch him talking about the book on You Tube! Or is your mind too closed? Take a look at Mosad’s motto too, that may give you some clue as to the devious machinations of the Israeli government.The entire history of the state is built on lies and deception.

          • Michael Abramov

            Gareth – I am certainly not narrow-minded and I have seen the Youtube of Miko Peled. I must make it quite clear that although I am a Zionist, this does NOT mean I do not care about the plight of the Palestinians. Primarily I am a humanitarian.

            ‘Take a look at Mossad’s motto’.

            ‘By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Make War’

            Take a look at the Hamas Charter (Cha. 7).

            ‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)’. (Ref. Yale Law School)

            The current Hamas Charter is being revised by Ismail Haniyeh. It is the people of Gaza I worry about.

            There exists a state of war between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Both sides have been responsible for the loss of innocent lives. This is war. Only yesterday, the Israeli courts condemned the leadership of Nethanyahu in the Protective Edge war of 2011 stating that he had not explored all the possibilities to settle the issues with Islamic Jihad in Gaza.The question is, what could Israel have done to stop the firing of missiles from Gaza in to Israel?

            Over to you.

          • Michael Stones

            It’s the very same if not worse, and all those Raids were the result of the apartheid actions of the zionists

          • Michael Abramov

            Apartheid? You do not understand the definition of apartheid. Even the UN is re-thinking the inclusion of the word apartheid for Israel.

            Let me help you. If Israel was apartheid, there would be no Arabs in Israel working with Jews, no interloping with Jews, no inclusive schooling and most importantly, no Gay rights. The only country for hundreds of miles around that has an open day for Gays. In Gaza, gay men are thrown off rooftops.

            The label Apartheid was fixed after Archbishop Tutu was given an all expenses paid trip to Israel to invite his criticism for South Africa’s left-wing.

          • Michael Stones

            It does not matter how much you jump up and down and stamp your feet Israel was never a legal state, and as I have said before Google it, it was imposed on the native population without their consent

          • Michael Abramov

            I am not jumping up and down, but I am confused with the description of ‘legal state’. It was the UN that democratically agreed that a country the size of Wales can be the homeland of the Jewish people in 1947. Prior to that, the British commandeered Palestine post 1918 and the Arabs said nothing. Prior to that the Turks were in Palestine for 400 years. The Arabs said nothing. Prior to that the Mumluks conquered Palestine. The Arabs said nothing. Prior to that, the Christians conquered the land and the Arabs said nothing. Prior to that Saladin conquered the land and the Arabs said nothing. Is the issue here that Israel is for the Jews?

            Answer the question please?

          • Michael Stones

            Absolutely not,some of the greatest minds in history were Jewish, Einstein,Zuckerburg, Barbra Liskov,Pulitzer (The Pulitzer Prize) and Witten just to mention a few no my problem is with the the violence going on over there and I’m not for a minute saying the Palestinians are not part of the problem but their fighting for their lands but they certainly WONT get anywhere by lobbing missiles at Israel (even if they hit nothing most of the time) and YOU have ME confused now when you say “The Arabs said nothing” they were massacred nearly every time, and as for the Legality of Israel look it up, it wasn’t for the UN to Decide on lands that most of them never set foot in

          • Mike Abramov

            Michael – When we break it down, the common denominator is politics.

            ‘The Arabs said nothing’ is in reference to the British Mandate. The Arab Demonstrations of 1936 was in anger at Jewish immigration and not British rule. The British army went in to the crowds with coshes and guns to contain the rebellion. Going backwards in history, the Arabs did not rebel against the Ottoman rule, nor the Mumluks (a professional mercenary army based in Egypt rather like the Greek Spartan army), nor the previous Christian and Muslim rulers.

            The Arabs of Palestine never organised or co-ordinated their own self-determination. I have always argued that the Arabs are not a cohesive nation. The factions that now exist still remain dominated by tribal lines.

            I come finally to the political colours of the 21st century. I do not adhere to the Likud’s policy of commandeering land in the West Bank as their own albeit being the spoils of the 1967 war. Had that war not occurred, we would not be having this conversation. As for the Arabs, when they get autonomy, a civil war will break out between the Sunni and Shiite factions over who rules and democracy will be abolished.

            Will the world blame Israel for this?

          • Michael Stones

            Hi Mike, while I completely agree that politics is a big part of it I would say that good ole human greed is behind all the conflicts, Religion has been given a bad reputation and used as the excuse but it is not the reason if there was no religion on the planet (and I cannot understand why it still is) mankind would just make up another excuse to kill each other, as for Israel? it’s there (Rightly or wrongly) and it’s not going anywhere and the Palestinians need to get their heads around that. so where do we start? No.1 the Palestinians need to stop lobbing rockets into Israel and No. 2 Israel need to stop robbing land, the people living in Israel now certainly have the right to live there most of them were born there but their attitude towards the Palestinians and anyone else there needs to change, neither side is absolutely right or wrong but the world standing by and doing nothing IS absolutely wrong and even criminal, oh in case you were wondering I don’t believe in any god, none of it makes any sense to me (and I used to be an avid believer but) neither does the big bang
            Regards
            Michael

          • Mike Abramov

            Michael – I wish every respondent was as rational as you. You have raised a few points which i will address.

            1. Religion is a tribal identity wrapped up in rites and ceremonies. In essence, religion is there to create a moral guide to life. However, this is often mis-interpreted. I am not religious, but I am spiritual which means that the realisation of God is exactly that, a realisation.

            2. I have better things to do than address the voluminous hatred for Israel that is perpetrated on Disqus. Although there is a lot wrong with Israel, would somebody refer me to a country that is doing everything right?

            3. The Arabs by nature are romantics. This is not a criticism, but an explanation as to why they cannot move on. At the end of the Holocaust, many Jews had to just forget about the losses they suffered and ‘move on’. The Arabs are still romanticising about how things were in 1948. (Read: Married To Another Man by Ghada Karmi|).

            There will be a resolve in Israel/Palestine, but it will be after Likud have been voted out and Hamas and the PA have reconciled their differences. let’s just hope it is in our lifetime.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “The problem with the Arabs is that they have a problem with living with Jews. ”

            Tell me how many Ashkenazi Jews had this type of experience with their European neighbors

            Israelis from Iraq remember Babylon

            Published: 2007/05/07

            By Lipika Pelham

            Jerusalem

            During the Shia festival of Muharram we would take part in the procession and along with our Arab friends, beat our chests to remember the epic battle of Karbala, said Yakov Reuveni, remembering his youth in 1940s Iraq.

            My best friend was the son of the mayor of Ammara. After school we would go out to the date palm grove with the freshly caught fish from the river Hidekel, which we would barbeque in the fields over an open fire.

            Among his most cherished memories, says Yakov, is the after-school stroll along the riverbank with his Arab friend.

            He grew up in a moderately well-to-do Jewish home with his parents, four siblings and grandparents.

            His father had a clothing store in the heart of Ammara’s central market.

            Nostalgia

            It was an easy, happy life. Jews shared almost all aspects of life with their Arab neighbours, reminisces Yakov.

            He was 17 years old in 1951, when his family emigrated to Jerusalem.

            For the Jews of Middle Eastern origins, like their European co-religionists, coming to Israel was the culmination of a religious journey – it was the fulfilment of the centuries-old dream to live in the Promised Land.

            “ I still think in Arabic, still I can’t string together all my thoughts in Hebrew. You have to understand, my mother tongue is Arabic

            But many who fled the Arab states and came to Israel as part of the mass migration that followed the creation of the Jewish state in 1948, look back with nostalgia and fondness for the life that they had left behind.

            Israel has a vibrant Iraqi Jewish community who arrived throughout the 1950s. Many Iraqi Jews settled in the area known as Mahane Yehuda in the heart of west Jerusalem.

            It is a famous market with alleyways lined with grocery shops: rows after rows of shops laden with colourful fruit and vegetables, fresh fish, dried fruit, sweets, different kinds of bread, cheese, traditional salted fish.

            These stores are still mostly owned by the descendants of the Iraqi and Kurdish Jewish immigrants.

            Fish feast

            The most memorable taste was the fish called maskuf, from the river Hidekel, says Yakov.

            After the Sabbath, we would wander off to the fields and have a feast with fish cooked on the spit, Iraqi pita and arak.

            After maskuf and arak, a strong aniseed flavoured local alcoholic drink, the boys would go to Ammara’s club to watch belly dancing.

            “ Most of us still feel connected to the country where we or our ancestors came from. Our parents and our grandparents still remember many things from their Iraqi past and they bring them to us, with food, music, language ”

            Yakov recalls, with vivid, powerful details, the life that he had once led, a life that was changed overnight by the political realities of the time.

            “We used to eat kubbeh and bamia, or okra. The kubbeh, made with minced lamb, was the national food for the Jews all over Iraq. Thursday was the day of khitchri – it’s a dish cooked with rice and lentils.

            I still think in Arabic, still I can’t string together all my thoughts in Hebrew. You have to understand, my mother tongue is Arabic,”” says Yakov.”

            But, while anti-Jewish sentiment flared up after the creation of Israel and the subsequent Arab-Israeli war in 1948-49, discrimination and attacks on Jews were part of life in Iraq.

            In the most notorious incident, mobs rampaged through the Jewish district of Baghdad killing an estimated 170 Jews in 1941, in what became known as the Farhoud massacre.

            By 1952, 120,000 Jews, about three quarters of the community, had fled Iraq for Israel.

            Thinking in Arabic

            In the heart of the Mahane Yehuda market is Cafe Mizrakhi, which specialises in certain traditional delicacies from Iraq. The word Mizrakhi means Oriental Jews.

            It is owned by Eli Mizrakhi, whose family came from northern Iraq, or what is now known as Iraqi Kurdistan.

            Most of us still feel connected to the country where we or our ancestors came from. Our parents and our grandparents still remember many things from their Iraqi past and they bring them to us, with food, music, language.

            Both Eli and Yakov agree that despite having gone through the process of assimilation into Israel, they keep alive many aspects of their previous lives, in particular, Iraqi food and speaking Arabic.

            “We used to eat kubbeh and bamia, or okra. The kubbeh, made with minced lamb, was the national food for the Jews all over Iraq. Thursday was the day of khitchri – it’s a dish cooked with rice and lentils.

            I still think in Arabic, still I can’t string together all my thoughts in Hebrew. You have to understand, my mother tongue is Arabic,”” says Yakov.”

            Now living in a small cottage with his wife in south Jerusalem, Yakov keeps himself busy recreating sweet pickled orange from his youth, while longing to someday return to Babylon.

            Story from BBC NEWS:

      • Michael Abramov

        Well said Pepper

      • betz55

        You moron! The religious cleansing of worship mosques in this area came from the IDF and the illegal settler squat terrorists on Mosques that had been there for centuries. The Palestinians have never left the land! The act of war was over 70 years ago and it was the Israelis who provoked it. It’s a genocidal war and they will not stop until the last Palestinian is dead. Thanks, those are the facts. Got it?

    • thebigkohen

      fool, go back almost 2000 years & our return from exile before you comment about who sweeps into lands & religiously cleanses all who are conquered.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Burt DNA says Ashkenazi = 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern.

        At 0% ancestry ties to Palstine but at 99.9% ancestry to Europe, what is the Ashkenazi doing on Arab land? I thought Hitler had been dead for decades? Why not go home to where your 99.9% of your DNA is from?

        Tony Kushner DNA
        97.5% Ashkenazi
        0.1% Finnish
        0.1% Scandanvian
        2.2% Broadly European
        0.1% East Asian
        99.9% European
        0.0% Middle Eastern

        Rabbi Hammerman DNA
        97.2% Ashkenazi
        0.8% East European
        0.2% Southern European
        1.7% Broadly European
        0.1% Native American
        99.9% European
        0.0% Middle Eastern

        Joseph Cohen DNA
        96.2% Ashkenazi
        0.4% Eastern European
        0.1% N. European
        0.1% SouthernEuropean
        3.0% Broady European
        0.1% East Asian
        0.1% Unassigned
        0.0% Middle East
        99.8% European
        0.0% Middle Eastern

        Alan Dershowitz DNA
        98. 5% Ashkenazi
        0.4% Southern European
        0.1% Balkan
        0.9% Broadly European
        0.1% East Asian
        99.9% European
        0.0% Middle Eastern

    • Michael Abramov

      OK. So how do you account for the two synagogues that were blown up by Hamas in Gaza in 2005?

      • Pepper Wingate

        The greenhouses, too, were a complete waste. Those had a practical use for the people, but again Hamas has no brains and no heart and they’re never going to find the Wizard.

        • betz55

          Baloney, the will expire looking for their Wizard. Israel has painted themselves into a corner, surrounded by states that loathe them. Their hubris, arrogance and sense of entitlement based on the ridiculous credo of “God’s chosen people”, has left them discredited, unmasked, de-legitimized, scorned, reduced to a diplomatic dwarf, maniacally messianic fanatics, laughed at and alienated from the rest of the international community. That will be their legacy.

          • Mike Abramov

            ‘God’s Chosen People’. You really are bereft of knowledge oabout the 20th history. Zionism is secular. God never came in to it.

          • Helen4Yemen

            David Ben-Gurion : ” I would suggest to you to come round in time to the Greater Palestine program before it is too late… the Basle program must contain the words Great Palestine or Palestine and its neighboring lands otherwise it’s nonsense. You do not get ten million Jews into a land of 25,000 Km2?. The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill — From the Nile to the Euphrates.”

            Exodus 23:31 I will see that your borders reach from the Red Sea to the Euphrates River and from the Mediterranean Sea to the desert. I will let you defeat the people who live there, and you will force them out of the land.

          • Mike Abramov

            So why didn’t the Arabs do something to stop the creation of Israel?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Arabs were barely getting of other European colonization when Ashkenazi arrived. The Ashenazi was hated for many centuries in Europe and the Christians were elated about Zionism as a way to remove the Jews they detested. Therefore, the Jews had the support of the entire West behind them.

            Jabotinsky :

            “Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach. That is our Arab policy; not what we should be, but what it actually is, whether we admit it or not. What need, otherwise, of the Balfour Declaration? Or of the Mandate? Their value to us is that outside Power has undertaken to create in the country such conditions of administration and security that if the native population should desire to hinder our work, they will find it impossible. And we are all of us ,without any exception, demanding day after day that this outside Power, should carry out this task vigorously and with determination.”

          • Mike Abramov

            You amaze me. You have a wonderful gift for not answering questions. You should become a politician.

            By-the-way, you are wrong (as usual). Some Christians hated Jews. Some Catholics hated Jews and in the 21st century, a lot of people hate the Arabs. This is the ignorance of human nature. That is, to blame a problem on a whole nation. It’s called racism.

            At the moment, the Arab nations are killing tens of thousands of their own people (Iraq, Syria and Yemen), but I get the impression that this is not important to you.

            Just because you like to quote Jabotinsky does not make your deposition right. There are thousands of Jews in Israel and in the world that care about the Palestinians, including myself.

            One of the things that worries me about the Palestinians is their dream of reversing the Naqba. How can they go forward still dreaming about the past?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why were Jews expelled more than 100 times from Europe?

            – 250 Carthage – 415 Alexandria – 554 Diocèse of Clermont (France) – 561 Diocèse of Uzès (France) – 612 Visigoth Spain – 642 Visigoth Empire – 855 Italy – 876 Sens – 1012 Mainz – 1182 France – 1182 Germany – 1276 Upper Bavaria – 1290 England – 1306 France – 1322 France (again) – 1348 Switzerland – 1349 Hielbronn (Germany) – 1349 Saxony – 1349 Hungary – 1360 Hungary – 1370 Belgium – 1380 Slovakia – 1388 Strasbourg – 1394 Germany – 1394 France – 1420 Lyons – 1421 Austria – 1424 Fribourg – 1424 Zurich – 1424 Cologne – 1432 Savoy – 1438 Mainz – 1439 Augsburg – 1442 Netherlands – 1444 Netherlands – 1446 Bavaria – 1453 France – 1453 Breslau – 1454 Wurzburg – 1462 Mainz – 1483 Mainz – 1484 Warsaw – 1485 Vincenza (Italy) – 1492 Spain – 1492 Italy – 1495 Lithuania – 1496 Naples – 1496 Portugal – 1498 Nuremberg – 1498 Navarre – 1510 Brandenberg – 1510 Prussia – 1514 Strasbourg – 1515 Genoa – 1519 Regensburg – 1533 Naples – 1541 Naples – 1542 Prague & Bohemia – 1550 Genoa – 1551 Bavaria – 1555 Pesaro – 1557 Prague – 1559 Austria – 1561 Prague – 1567 Wurzburg – 1569 Papal States – 1571 Brandenburg – 1582 Netherlands – 1582 Hungary – 1593 Brandenburg, Austria – 1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi – 1614 Frankfort – 1615 Worms – 1619 Kiev – 1648 Ukraine – 1648 Poland – 1649 Hamburg – 1654 Little Russia (Beylorus) – 1656 Lithuania – 1669 Oran (North Africa) – 1669 Vienna – 1670 Vienna – 1712 Sandomir – 1727 Russia – 1738 Wurtemburg – 1740 Little Russia (Beylorus) – 1744 Prague, Bohemia – 1744 Slovakia – 1744 Livonia – 1745 Moravia – 1753 Kovad (Lithuania) – 1761 Bordeaux – 1772 Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia) – 1775 Warsaw – 1789 Alsace – 1804 Villages in Russia – 1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia) – 1815 Lbeck & Bremen – 1815 Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria – 1820 Bremen – 1843 Russian Border Austria & Prussia – 1862 Areas in the U.S. under General Grant’s Jurisdiction[1] – 1866 Galatz, Romania – 1880s Russia – 1891 Moscow – 1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews) – 193845 Nazi Controlled Areas – 1948 Arab Countries

          • Mike Abramov

            Well, you are enjoying this, aren’t you. You have cited a 2,500 year history. Well done. What you have not explained is why these expulsions occurred and the periods inbetween when the Jews were a vital component of society.

            I await your answer….but, I am not holding my breath.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I do not know where you are getting the 2,500 history? You do not mean to say that the Ashhkenazi at 99.9% European ancestry came from Palestine, do you? 95% of world Jewry are those with 99.9% European DNA. That conflict was one white man, the Jew, vs. another white man, the European Christians. The Ashkenazi’s white European feet never touched the soil of Palestine until he came to colonize the land in 1882.

            Palestine population

            Year – Muslim — Christian – Jews
            1851 – 300,000 – 27,000 – 13,000
            1861 – 325,000 – 31,000 – 13,000
            1878 – 386,320 – 40,588 – 13,942
            1879 – 390,597 – 41,331 – 14,197
            1880 – 394,935 – 41,089 – 14,460
            1881 – 399,334 – 42,864 – 14,731
            1882 – 403,795 – 43,659 – 15,011 Ashkenazi arrived
            1883 – 408,318 – 44,471 – 15,300
            1884 – 412,906 – 45,302 – 15,599
            1885 – 417,560 – 46,152 – 15,908
            1922 – 598,177 – 71,464 – 83,790 British Mandate began
            1924 – 627,660 – 74,094 – 94,945
            1926 – 663,613 – 76,764 – 149,500
            1928 – 695,280 – 79,812 – 151,656
            1930 – 733,149 – 84,986 – 164,796
            1932 – 771,174 – 90,624 – 180,793
            1934 – 807,180 – 99,532 – 253,700
            1935 – 826,457 – 103,371 – 320,358
            1936 – 848,342 – 106,474 – 370,483
            1937 – 875,947 – 109,764 – 386,074

          • Mike Abramov

            Yes I do mean that the Ashkenazi came from European ancestry AFTER they left the ME circa:490 AD.

            I will recommend a book by the late Paul Kriwaczek called Yiddish Civilisation. It is extremely well researched and explains how many Jews left Palestine after the demise of the Roman Empire to explore the potential of the new centers of growth namely Germany, France and the Ukraine.

            The name Ashkenazi is derived from this Jews who settled in NE Germany. They named the region Ashkenaz, a Hebrew name from the book of Genesis. However, as your argument is based on racial interpretations of a Jew, I suggest that before you come back to me you do a little more research.

            Any historian would ridicule your assumptions…as I do.

          • Helen4Yemen

            AND THE REASON WHY THE DNA OF THE ASHKENAZI SHOWS NO TRACE OF MIDDLE EAST ANCESTRY – NONE – ZERO – ZILCH?

          • Mike Abramov

            Wrong. Most Ashkenazi Jews have at least 95% Jewish DNA, but you do not and will not believe it This is because you are a racist and do not believe in humanity.

            Your vision of the society is for all races to be separated in to their individual race or nationality. To live in the country of their birth and to be intolerant of each other’s differences. In other words a Nazi.

          • Helen4Yemen

            And what is “Jewish DNA”? Do Nigerian Jews have “Jewish DNA”? Where is the evidence? Can you imagine Nigerians saying that they are 95% European? Actually your figure of 95% is down only by 1% because the average Ashkenazi scores 96% in a DNA group called “Ashkenazi. The link below has over 100 DNA results for many groups, African, Asian, European, Middle Eastern and of course the Ashkenazi. Why don’t you have a look? The Ashkenazi is always at 0% Middle East ancestry and 99% European ancestry. Are you going to deny DNA?

            https://disqus*com/home/discussion/channel-semite/dna_results_from_around_the_world_81/

            (Replace * with dot)

          • Mike Abramov

            You are amazing.

            I have never dealt with someone who insists they are right when all the evidence says they are wrong. You do not answer question, you do not debate, you rant about ethnic identity and base your theories on purely racial grounds. However, I will address your point.

            Ashkenazim are Jews Simple.Many Nigerian Jews are converts. Simple But, who cares about someones origin. I am a humanitarian who cares about the person not their f…ing DNA.

            The DNA figures you have cited are rubbish. You have made them up. Finally, since when did the ME belong exclusively to the Arabs? For all the years the Arabs have been in the ME, all you have done is kill each other. Why, because of idiots like you who insist that tribal identity gives you rights over other tribes.

            Grow up, get real and get an education.

          • Helen4Yemen

            1) The f…ing DNA is what the Ashkenazi claimed that connected to Palestine.

            2) The Nigerian Jews and all black Jews claim the Ashkenazi is the convert and they the originals from Palestine. But the truth is neither the white nor the black Jew have ancestry in Palestine. No need to guess anymore, DNA is very precise and we know for a fact that the Ashkenazi is totally European at 99%.

          • Helen4Yemen

            HARRY KATZ: WE THE ASHKENAZI ARE TOTALLY EUROPEAN

            “But I see no genetic evidence for our (Askenazic) roots in the Middle East, and I disagree with you that there are major similarities between the DNA of the Ashkenazim and Sepharadim. The origin of the Ashkenazim is not resolved at all. All I know is that it is a very isolated, restricted gene pool with little evidence of DNA infusions from other Europeans. The Ashkenazim are not a hybrid group, but the purest “white European group outside of Scandinavia, perhaps.”

            Harry Katz’s actual DNA report (99% European, 0% Middle Eastern)

            https://www*ancestry*com/dna/ethnicity/E59C79DB-8EFC-4051-9878-5E78B6DFE86D/share/e3f7a96f-3e0f-4aa2-8b42-6a50874ce6f8/9cc5e907-5c6c-4572-95f2-1992625918dc

            (replace * with dot)

          • Mike Abramov

            What does he know?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Only Ashkenazi Jews suffer from Ashkenazi genetic diseases and no Arab Jews. Did I make this up.

            1- The purpose of this study was to determine the frequency of blmAsh mutation carriers in a randomly sampled Ashkenazi Jewish population in Israel. The initial study group included 1,613 Ashkenazi Jews who were referred for routine DNA screening tests (cystic fibrosis, Gaucher, Canavan, fragile X). None had a family history of BS.

            A group of 552 non-Ashkenazi Jews served as controls. Mutation analysis was performed by PCR amplification All positive carriers were confirmed by direct sequencing. Sixteen blmAsh carriers were detected among 1,613 Ashkenazi Jews (1 in 101), compared to none among 552 non-Ashkenazi individuals.
            (source: ADGenetic Institute, Sourasky Medical Center, Tel Aviv, Israel)

            2- We tested 3,104 Jewish individuals, primarily of Ashkenazi descent, for the two most common FAC mutations, IVS4 and 322delG. Thirty-five IVS4 carriers were identified, for a carrier frequency of 1 in 89. To determine if the IVS4 mutation was confined to the Ashkenazi Jewish population, we tested 563 Iraqi Jews for IVS4, and no carriers were found. Because the IVS4 mutation has only been found on chromosomes of Ashkenazi Jewish origin,(Source: Laboratory of Human Genetics and Hematology, Rockefeller University, New York, NY 10021-6399, USA)

          • Mike Abramov

            So what.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are the Jews Crazy?

            Posted on January 19, 2014 by Richard Edmondson

            richardedmondson . net

            By Ariadna Theokopoulos

            Are the Jews crazy? No! Not all of them. Only the Ashkenazi Jews and not all of them either, but many more than they ever feared and the rest of us ever suspected.

            It has been known for a long time that the Ashkenazi Jews, which represent 95% of all Jews, are susceptible to some severe and profoundly debilitating genetic diseases specific to their ethnic group, like:

            Tay-Sachs Disease (carrier rate 1:25 births), Canavan (1:40), Niemann-Pick (1:90), Gaucher’s (1:14), Familial Familial Dysautonomia (1:30), Bloom Syndrome (1:100), Fanconi anemia (1:89), Cystic Fibrosis (1:25) and Mucolipidosis IV.

            If two carriers of the same disorder have children, there is a 25% chance of having an affected child, a 50% chance of having a child who is a carrier like themselves, and a 25% chance of having a child who is neither affected nor a carrier.

            The response to this awareness at the general public level in Israel has been for the affected individuals to …. sue the doctors who did not counsel their parents to abort them, a legal novelty that came to be known as “wrongful birth suit.”

            In these lawsuit claims, doctors are held liable for not discovering fetal abnormalities that might have prompted parents to abort their child.

            Wrongful life/birth claims, according to LifeSiteNews, are more prevalent in Israel where a higher rate of genetic disorders caused by consanguineous (connected by kinship) marriages has fueled a “pro-genetic testing culture.”

            At the community level the concern has encouraged American Jews to promote research and demand better funding for research targeted to these diseases (shades of “primacy of Jewish sufering”), and in Israel to create a national registry to get a better grip on the problem and also provide a venue for donors (e.g., of marrow).

            At the same time intensified Israeli research into the Ashkenazi genetic diseases has paid unexpected dividends. In an article recently published in the most prestigious scientific journal, Nature, Israeli researchers announced the discovery of a genetic marker for major psychiatric disorders with high heritability like schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorders, manic depression and bipolar disorder linked in a genome-wide association in the Ashkenazi Jewish population, in lay language a mutated gene that makes Ashkenazi Jews 40% more likely to develop these severe psychiatric disorders than non-Jews.

            That is a huge figure. The prevalence of schizophrenia in the US is given as anywhere between 1: and 4:1,000, which means that of every 1,000 American non-Jews you come into contact with at least one or as many as four are likely to be schizophrenics. The Nature findings can be extrapolated to mean that of every 100 American Jews you meet, as many as 16 are, if not all schizophrenics, at least carriers of the defective gene to pass on to their progeny. I could not find the prevalence of schizophrenia in Israel in any source.

            The Nature study used sophisticated statistical analyses, a large sample cohort (904 schizophrenic) and a very large (1,640) control group, both from “certified” Askenazi Jews. *

            Therefore a disproportionate number of Jews are affected by severe psychiatric disorders arising from a mutated gene due to inbreeding and the only cure is worse than the disease and in fact worse than death: the dreaded abomination, the “A” word, assimilation!

            Why would “G-d” punish His “chosen” people so cruelly and place them between a rock and a hard place?

            Or maybe it was not that “G-d” who did it but the ancient Greek gods, of whom it was said:

            “Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

          • Mike Abramov

            ‘Is Helen4Yemen Crazy?’

            ‘Yes, most of the time. She believes anything negative about the Ashkenazi Jews forgetting that as a Houthi supporter she would not be welcome in a Sunni country’.

            ‘So, what is the remedy for this blatant, racist, nationalism?’

            ‘I believe that she needs spiritual guidance. She has failed to connect to humanity. I recommend a guru’

          • Helen4Yemen

            Mark Twain explains why Jews were hated in Europe.
            1 For the like reasons Spain had to banish him four hundred years ago, and Austria about a couple of centuries later. In all the ages Christian Europe has been obliged to curtail his activities. If he entered upon a mechanical trade, the Christian had to retire from it. If he set up as a doctor, he was the best one, and he took the business. If he exploited agriculture, the other farmers had to get at something else. Since there was no way to successfully compete with him in any vocation, the law had to step in and save the Christian from the poor-house.
            2 In the cotton States, after the war, the simple and ignorant negroes made the crops for the white planter on shares. The Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the negro’s wants on credit, and at the end of the season was proprietor of the negro’s share of the present crop and of part of his share of the next one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew, and it is doubtful if the negro loved him.
            3 In the dull and ignorant England of John’s time everybody got into debt to the Jew. He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his hands; he was the king of commerce; he was ready to be helpful in all profitable ways; he even financed crusades for the rescue of the Sepulchre. To wipe out his account with the nation and restore business to its natural and incompetent channels he had to be banished the realm.
            4 Still, almost bereft of employments, he found ways to make money, even ways to get rich. Also ways to invest his takings well, for usury was not denied him. In the hard conditions suggested, the Jew without brains could not survive, and the Jew with brains had to keep them in good training and well sharpened up, or starve. Ages of restriction to the one tool which the law was not able to take from him – his brain – have made that tool singularly competent; ages of compulsory disuse of his hands have atrophied them, and he never uses them now.
            5 The Jew is being legislated out of Russia. The reason is not concealed. The movement was instituted because the Christian peasant and villager stood no chance against his commercial abilities. He was always ready to lend money on a crop, and sell vodka and other necessaries of life on credit while the crop was growing. When settlement day came he owned the crop; and next year or year after he owned the farm, like Joseph.
            6 Trade after trade was taken away from the Jew by statute till practically none was left. He was forbidden to engage in agriculture; he was forbidden to practise law; he was forbidden to practise medicine, except among Jews; he was forbidden the handicrafts. Even the seats of learning and the schools of science had to be closed against this tremendous antagonist.
            7 Speaking of concentration, Dr. Herzl has a clear insight into the value of that. Have you heard of his plan? He wishes to gather the Jews of the world together in Palestine, with a government of their own – under the suzerainty of the Sultan, I suppose. At the Convention of Berne, last year, there were delegates from everywhere, and the proposal was received with decided favor. I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world were going to be made in a free country (bar Scotland), I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let the race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride any more. (Mark Twain: Concerning The Jews, Harper’s Magazine, March, 1898)

      • betz55

        OK. So how do you account for the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians since before 1948 until now ? Muslim graves and mosques are desecrated, harvests torched, sheep rustled, cars stoned and damaged, homes and shops forcibly occupied. Palestinians are chased off their own land by gunfire. That’s terrorism.

        • Mike Abramov

          ….and you believe all that? you have not mentioned the ethnic cleansing of the Jews from Iraq, Syria Lebanon and Egypt since 1940.. 700,000 Jews were exiled virtually penniless just because the state of Israel was formed in 1948.

          1.25 million Arabs both Muslim and Christian live in Israel. Are you sure you have your facts right or are you reading from the website of the PSC?

        • Michael Abramov

          Well, you have chosen to not answer my question. Does this mean you support Hamas? Either way, your rebuttal comes without proof. I vehemently disagree with the ethnic cleansing accusation and until you can steer me to the evidence, I do not believe you.

          • betz55

            Ah yes, only a matter of time before Hamas was brought up. Let the smears begin. First name calling, then the holocaust, then jew hater, then anti-semite, oops, don’t forget Hamas – you will work that in somewhere – all predictable – all badges of honor for any normal person who values human rights.

            I don;t have to ‘steer’ you to anything. You wanna remain ignorant that’s on you. Nakba, the violent ethnic cleansing of historic Palestine in 1947 and 1948, in which approximately two-thirds of the indigenous Arab population was forcibly removed from the land by the militias that founded Israel. Prominent Israeli historian Ilan Pappé has documented how Israel’s founding fathers intentionally ethnically cleansed the country to create a new state.

            The charter of the Likud party of Israel, whose leader is the incumbent prime minister, Binyam Netanyahu, categorically states that its goal is a ‘Greater Israel’ with all Muslims, Arabs andChristians ‘transferred’ to neighboring states. ‘Transfer’ in this context is a pseudonym for ethnic cleansing. That has been the accepted right-wing agenda for many years. It has never been repudiated either by Netanyahu or anyone else.

          • Mike Abramov

            My Dear Betz55.

            If I had a pound for every person I have had a dialogue with on this site that does not site their sources of information I would be a rich man. I would be even richer for every denouncement of Israel I have seen. However, let’s get one thing clear. Do not defend Hamas. Read Cha. 7 of the Hamas Charter and then Google for the updated charter (to be confirmed) and then tell me that you are supporting a charter that wants to commit to jihad and mass murder.

            I have met Ilan Pappe and I must admit I found him very likeable. However, he is a vehement anti-Zionist and therefore incapable of an objective view of Israel/Palestine.

            I do not adhere to the Likud charter if that is what it says (to be confirmed).

            Your interpretation of ethnic cleansing of Palestine come Israel is rubbish. 1.25 million Arabs live in Israel. I do not call that ethnic cleansing. There is also a considerable Christian population that happily live with Jews and Muslims.

            I know you do not believe me but that is your problem. Although relations between Israel and Palestine are not great, on the other hand as you are a devout left-winger, I put it to you that all the left-wing countries since Russia 1918 have done a wonderful job of bringing mass starvation, imprisonment by the 1,000s, exiles and economic disaster. Is that what you want?

            Now go away and do your proper research before you come back to me.

          • betz55

            My dear mike, no one here has to prove anything to you. It is all out there so get some education and relieve us of your ignorance and myopic rantings, you are only embarrassing yourself further. You mistake me for someone who cares what you think. This might help you – to open your medication bottle, you need to push the top DOWN, then twist! There, that should do it.

            Zionism — the idea that Jewish people ought to have a Jewish state in mandate Palestine — is anachronistic in the 21st century. The idea that non-Jews who have lived on the land for generations before the creation of the state of Israel should be relegated to second-class citizenship because they’re not Jewish is racist plain and simple.

            My students here at UCSC in California are following your trolling and all those on the fence are firmly now for the Palestinians. Once again, you have outdone yourself. Well done, the Palestinians and my classes send their thanks and ask that you keep up the good work.

          • Mike Abramov

            Dear Ms. Betz,

            I am indeed flattered that you have shared my thoughts with the students of Santa Cruz. Having been to California, I am aware that the environment does lend itself to an idyllic world of free-thinking and uninhibited expression. However, are you going to share the following with your brain-washed students?

            Like most pro-Palestinians, you will claim that you are not anti-Semitic. So, if that is the case and you are, as most teachers are, devoutly left-wing why do the left wing have such a long history of anti-Semitism? It is the left-wing that head up the PSC. The USSR had a purge of the Jewish doctors in 1947; etc; etc;

            Of all the issues in the ME, why do the left-wing spend masses of time and money fighting the cause of the Palestinians, when next door, Syria is the center of mass murder.

            You have also failed to mention the ethnic cleansing of the Jews from Iraq Egypt and Syria as per my reply of 19th of April. Please address this point.

            You need to understand the definition of the word troll. I am replying in a civil and well thought out way. I am not simply contradicting what you are saying. To date, you have failed to respond to the question of the ‘ethnic cleansing’ of the native Americans in a sympathetic way. It may be 2017 and not 1817, but my encounters with the Native Americans in Oklahoma and Canada was filled with sadness.

            Please share this with your class and make this am open debate

      • Osman Buckus

        Why is this even an issue given that NO Israeli Jew lives in Gaza and haven been living since their evacuation in 2006?

        • Mike Abramov

          Osman – it is an issue because the pro-Palestine lobby do not and will not create a sensible and constructive dialogue with me. All I get is a tirade of insults and ranting. It appears to me that the pro-Palestine lobby are unable to have a sensible discussion.

      • sufipeace

        It was very bad that they were blown up. But how do u know Hamas leadership okayed it? Or could it be that ragtag militia groups not under the command of Hamas leadership didnt do it?

  • Redding

    God’s nature rules! Lets the strongest, most cunning animals win!

    • Pepper Wingate

      Am Yisrael Chai! The State of Israel Lives!
      Two groups of refugees in Israel in 1948. Jews had been released from the Death Camps in 1945 and fought their way to their homeland. Arabs, who arrived in the area a couple of generations before to earn European wages from the Jews, left their homes in preparation for six Arab armies to massacre those same Jews. Since then, Jews have built a democracy where all can live in peace. They have built a defence force that is the envy of many modern nations. They can defend the rights of Jews around the world. They have a strong economy. (A couple of Israelis just sold a ten year old startup company for $15 billion to Intel.) They have turned the dessert green and developed ways of getting water for their people that is the envy of the world. The Arabs have collected more per capita than any other refugee groups in the World but still live in squalor. They refuse all offers of help from the Israelis and attempt to murder Jews at every opportunity.
      Go figure!

      • Gareth Woods

        Ha ha ha, you’ve been reading Zionist doctored history books again. ‘We drained the swamp and made Israel’, ‘we made the desert bloom’ ! Palestine had been a major exporter of grain and agricultural produce to Europe for centuries, on one occasion saving France from famine when the harvest failed, so it wasn’t a swamp or a desert as the propaganda tries to make out. Try harder, you are not at all convincing.

        • Pepper Wingate

          No that was just the land they sold to the Jews. However Mark Twain’s description belies yours. He was a contemporary. Ireland exported grain all through the potato famine.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Christopher Hitchens :

            “In Palestine, tread softly, for you tread on their dreams. And do not tell the Palestinians that they were never fallen upon and bruised in the first place. Do not shame yourself with the cheap lie that they were told by their leaders to run away. Also, stop saying that nobody knew how to cultivate oranges in Jaffa until the Jews showed them how. ‘Making the desert bloom’—one of Yvonne’s stock phrases—makes desert dwellers out of people who were the agricultural superiors of the Crusaders.”

            Christopher Hitchens, Hitch-22: A Memoir

        • Pepper Wingate

          So your people pay some racist to write a book proving whatever you want and you claim that my references are “Zionist doctored”. Get a life! In actual fact, the references I have are based on British and French archives and in one case was translated from Turkish.

      • Helen4Yemen

        “Jews had been released from the Death Camps in 1945 and fought their way to their homeland.”

        Palestine is no Ashkenazi grandmother’s land, is it?
        What is the connection of the white man that goes by “Ashkenazi” and Palestine?

        • Pepper Wingate

          This racism from a Yemini!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Is Palestine these men’s grandmother’s land?

            At 0% ancestry ties to Palstine but at 99.9% ancestry to Europe, what is the Ashkenazi doing on Arab land? I thought Hitler had been dead for decades? Why not go home to where your 99.9% of your DNA is from?

            Tony Kushner DNA
            97.5% Ashkenazi
            0.1% Finnish
            0.1% Scandanvian
            2.2% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Rabbi Hammerman DNA
            97.2% Ashkenazi
            0.8% East European
            0.2% Southern European
            1.7% Broadly European
            0.1% Native American
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Joseph Cohen DNA
            96.2% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Eastern European
            0.1% N. European
            0.1% SouthernEuropean
            3.0% Broady European
            0.1% East Asian
            0.1% Unassigned
            0.0% Middle East
            99.8% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

            Alan Dershowitz DNA
            98. 5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European
            0.0% Middle Eastern

          • Pepper Wingate

            Actually, Yes! But we’ve been over this before. Try to keep up.

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Eskimos, the Zulus, the Koreans too have 0% Middle East DNA just like the Ashkenazi, How come they do not claim Palestine?

      • Helen4Yemen

        WHY WERE JEWS SO HATED IN EUROPE? MARK TWAIN EXPLAINS:

        For the like reasons Spain had to banish him four hundred years ago, and Austria about a couple of centuries later. In all the ages Christian Europe has been obliged to curtail his activities. If he entered upon a mechanical trade, the Christian had to retire from it. If he set up as a doctor, he was the best one, and he took the business. If he exploited agriculture, the other farmers had to get at something else. Since there was no way to successfully compete with him in any vocation, the law had to step in and save the Christian from the poor-house.
        Why blacks and whites detested hime: In the cotton States, after the war, the simple and ignorant negroes made the crops for the white planter on shares. The Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the negro’s wants on credit, and at the end of the season was proprietor of the negro’s share of the present crop and of part of his share of the next one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew, and it is doubtful if the negro loved him.
        Why England had to banish him: In the dull and ignorant England of John’s time everybody got into debt to the Jew. He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his hands; he was the king of commerce; he was ready to be helpful in all profitable ways; he even financed crusades for the rescue of the Sepulchre. To wipe out his account with the nation and restore business to its natural and incompetent channels he had to be banished the realm.
        Why his hands got atrophied: Still, almost bereft of employments, he found ways to make money, even ways to get rich. Also ways to invest his takings well, for usury was not denied him. In the hard conditions suggested, the Jew without brains could not survive, and the Jew with brains had to keep them in good training and well sharpened up, or starve. Ages of restriction to the one tool which the law was not able to take from him – his brain – have made that tool singularly competent; ages of compulsory disuse of his hands have atrophied them, and he never uses them now.
        The exploiter: The Jew is being legislated out of Russia. The reason is not concealed. The movement was instituted because the Christian peasant and villager stood no chance against his commercial abilities. He was always ready to lend money on a crop, and sell vodka and other necessaries of life on credit while the crop was growing. When settlement day came he owned the crop; and next year or year after he owned the farm, like Joseph.
        Trade after trade was taken away from the Jew by statute till practically none was left. He was forbidden to engage in agriculture; he was forbidden to practise law; he was forbidden to practise medicine, except among Jews; he was forbidden the handicrafts. Even the seats of learning and the schools of science had to be closed against this tremendous antagonist.
        Speaking of concentration, Dr. Herzl has a clear insight into the value of that. Have you heard of his plan? He wishes to gather the Jews of the world together in Palestine, with a government of their own – under the suzerainty of the Sultan, I suppose. At the Convention of Berne, last year, there were delegates from everywhere, and the proposal was received with decided favor. I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world were going to be made in a free country (bar Scotland), I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let the race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride any more.

        (Mark Twain: Concerning The Jews, Harper’s Magazine, March, 1898)

  • Pepper Wingate

    The Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem was demolished when the Jordanian army occupied in 1948. They expelled all the Jews. (We now call that Ethnic Cleansing.) They destroyed the synagogues. They destroyed the cemeteries. Now you say that Jews shouldn’t reclaim the land that Jewish family homes existed on for centuries. Now you say that Jews should allow mosques to be built on land where Jewish synagogues stood. NO!

    • Helen4Yemen

      a) World Jewry is made up of white Jewry at 90%.
      b) The Ashkenazi never set foot on that land until he arrived as a colonial settler in 1882.

      • Pepper Wingate

        Made up stats! Jews come in all colours but over 50% of all Jews in Israel are from the Middle East.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Now in Palestine:

          47% European Ashkenazi
          30% Spanish-Portuguese
          23% Arab Jews
          Total Jews from Europe = 77%
          Source: Nature dot com

          • Pepper Wingate

            Nonsense!

        • Helen4Yemen

          Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazim, account for some 90% of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today –

          http://www*ynetnews*com/articles/0,7340,L-4339595,00*html

          replace * with dot

          • Pepper Wingate

            No they don’t ! Why do Arabs make up things like this? It’s absolute nonsense. Do you think we don’t read and look up the truth? Is this part of the culture because it makes you look completely stupid?

  • thebigkohen

    muslims occupy “from the river to the sea” israel &we will be free. where shall we send you shrine & mosque on our temple mount? amman or mecca! we don’t want your buildings any longer

    • Helen4Yemen

      Amazing Europeans with confirmed DNA at 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern still continue to be delusional in the age of DNA! Wake up!

  • There is only one true law in the Middle East — survival of the fittest.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Jewish land ownership in Palestine
    1882 — 22,500 —- 0.1% (Ashkenazi colonial settlers arrived )
    1900 — 218,000 — 0.8%
    1914 — 418,000 — 1.6%
    1927 — 865,000 — 3.2%
    1936 — 1,231,000 — 4.7%
    1945 — 1,588,365 — 6.%
    1947 — 1,734,000 — 6.6%

    How European Jews from Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Austria … stole Arab land. When the Europeans first arrived in Palestine in 1882, the indigenous Arab Jews owned only 0.1% of Palestine. By 1947, all that the Europeans with their huge pile of European money was able to acquire was only 6.6% of Palestine. How did the Europeans acquiree the rest of it? He STOLE IT.

  • Helen4Yemen

    SHIA MUSLIMS OF BASRA, IRAQ, ARE GENETIC COUSINS OF ABRAHAM

    Who do you think are the closest relatives of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob? The people of Southern Iraq or someone from Lithuania, Poland, Russia? Of course, the people of Southern Iraq. Ur, the ancestral land of Abraham is only a few miles away from Basra, Iraq, whereas Russia, Lithuania are thousands of miles away. The Shia Muslims of Southern Iraq are the blood cousins of the Abraham and no Ashenazi Jew is. YES OR NO?

    a) Where are Abraham and Sarah from? Ur, Iraq, right?

    b) Who did Abraham’s son, Isaac, marry? His cousin Rebekah from Ur, Iraq, right?

    c) Who did Isaac’s son Jacob marry? He married two sisters, his cousins from Ur, Iraq, right?

    d) The DNA of the 12 Tribes is from no other place on earth but only from Ur, Iraq, right?

    e) Where do the Jew get the idea that what they call “Judea” (the West Bank) is their ancestral land whereas that land was called Canaan and not Israel until after the Gang of Abraham-Isaac-Jacob stole it … order to steal it by their god.

    f) See how the Jews’ was teaching to be criminal bandits? Here is the Jews’ God:

    Genesis 15:18 I will give your descendants the land east of the Shihor River on the border of Egypt as far as the Euphrates River. 19 They will possess the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaites, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.