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BBC smears BDS, fails to disclose interviewee’s Israel advocacy role

University of Manchester BDS campaign [File photo]
University of Manchester BDS campaign [File photo]

A BBC report on alleged “anti-Semitism” on campus failed to disclose a key interviewee’s leadership role in the pro-Israel advocacy group StandWithUs.

The report, broadcast twice on the 27 April episode of BBC Two’s “Victoria Derbyshire” show, also led to an online news item which similarly failed to note the Israel advocacy background of key interviewees (an omission then partially resolved, following complaints).

On “Victoria Derbyshire”, the video report was breathlessly introduced as an “exclusive story” into how the Charity Commission is “investigating” student unions over their support for the Palestinian-led Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign.

The show’s Twitter account was even more direct, tweeting: “EXCLUSIVE: Seventeen students’ unions are being investigated over anti-Israel campaigns.” The tweet was later deleted however the Facebook post has remained, please see the “edit history” for the post to see the changes made to it.

EXCLUSIVE: Seventeen students' unions are being 'looked into' over anti-Israel campaigns, following claims they're leading to anti-Semitism.

Publié par Victoria Derbyshire sur jeudi 27 avril 2017

In fact, no formal investigation has been opened by the commission into any of the student unions mentioned by the BBC, as confirmed to me yesterday by a spokesperson over the phone.

The BBC report quickly spawned further, inaccurate coverage, forcing the Charity Commission to issue a clarifying statement. “Concerns have been raised with us about a number of student union charities – we have assessed those concerns in line with our usual processes,” said a spokesperson.

In addition, the statement continued, the commission “will be writing to a number of further student union charities in England & Wales that are reported to have been involved in the BDS movement, to ensure that their trustees are aware of and fulfilling their legal duties and responsibilities, including to comply with our guidance on charities and campaigning.”

We do not, at this time, have a statutory inquiry open into any student union charity.

As a result, articles in both the Telegraph and Jewish Chronicle were first edited, then completely replaced (the original headlines are preserved in the URLs). Note that while some are now reporting that the Charity Commission is “warning” student unions, there is nothing to substantiate that interpretation in the aforementioned spokesperson’s statement.

There should have been no confusion. The information sent to the BBC by the Charity Commission (which I have seen), was clear:

a student union is perfectly entitled to endorse ‘a motion relating to the BDS movement’, as long as the union is ‘clear what this means in practice’ and can ‘explain how doing so furthers the charity’s purposes and therefore is consistent with their legal duties’.

In other words, UK student unions have a legal right to campaign on issues that impact students, including the investments and contracts held by universities with institutions and companies that support, or are complicit in, Israeli violations of international law. Because the BDS movement is asking universities to change their university policy, it is a student issue.

As the commission told the BBC, “campaigning and political activity can be legitimate and valuable activities for charities to take part in”, provided they are “undertaken in the context of supporting the delivery of a charity’s purposes.” But this crucial point of law was not mentioned once in the BBC’s coverage, either in the TV report or online.

The BBC’s misleading reporting regarding the position of the Charity Commission was compounded by its handling of interviewees, both in the pre-prepared video report and in the studio.

#BBCbias

The video report’s two main interviewees – whose views went entirely unchallenged by BBC journalist Jon Ironmonger – did not have their roles in Israel advocacy highlighted, despite the obvious relevance of such information for the viewer.

Devora Khafi, a student at Queen Mary University in London, was interviewed at length and her claims were central to the piece – but her role as national “Campus Director” for the UK branch of a well-known Israel advocacy organisation, StandWithUs, was entirely omitted.

StandWithUs is an organisation which devotes a significant part of its resources to fighting BDS and the Palestine solidarity movement in general, and has even received funding from the Israeli government in support of its efforts to defend Israel’s violations of international law.

Another interviewee, Isaac Bentata, is a “committee member” of the UCL Friends of Israel Society, but his role in a pro-Israel organisation was not acknowledged [Bentata has since deleted reference to his role in the Friends of Israel Society but a screenshot of the original can be seen here]. David Hirsh, meanwhile, appears as a “Lecturer at Goldsmiths” – but his long-standing anti-BDS activism went unmentioned.

By contrast, the only individual to give a dissenting opinion in the report, SOAS PhD student and BDS supporter Sai Englert, was specifically referred to as a member of his university’s Palestine Society.

Evidence suggests that the BBC’s reporting on the Syrian conflict is biased

In the studio, meanwhile, the video report was followed by a live debate between guests in the studio and joining via Skype. The only person to be repeatedly interrupted by presenter Chloe Tilley was Michael Deas, a University of Sussex student and BDS supporter, with Tilley telling him: “We’re not here to have a conversation about what the BDS movement is trying to achieve.”

That bizarre but instructive remark served as a microcosm for the whole affair: an attack on the BDS campaign and its supporters without actually addressing Israel’s decades-old policies of colonialism, apartheid and occupation. As BDS-supporting academic Jonathan Rosenhead noted in the BBC studio, it’s “the elephant in the room that you don’t want…to talk about”.

 

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  • peepsqueek

    I am still asking why don’t these students just BDS the entire Middle East on these campuses for institutional apartheid, sectarian apartheid, religious apartheid, gender apartheid, restrictions on human rights, religious rights, women’s rights, gay rights, and severe punishments for unauthorized sexual encounters and apostasy???

    Why does Israel/Palestine get the lion’s share of loud voices and attention, when there are millions of displace people doing without the basic necessities of life in Syria, Sudan, Yemen, etc. Many of the Syrian refugees arriving in Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Kurdistan, and Egypt have not had access to essential medical care or vaccinations, and children have missed school for years. In Turkey, state-run camps for refugees have been called “model camps,” but they house only around 10% of the more than 2 million Syrians in Turkey???

    The Yemen conflict has resulted in mass displacement, with the direct bombing of schools, hospitals, and other civilian spaces, as well as the Saudi blockades of ports and humanitarian aid. Yet, in the midst of these monumental humanitarian crisis’, the Saudis will host the Hajj which generates literally a fortune in revenue every year? That money could be better used. The Hajj is a religious pilgrimage for Muslims from all over the world, and excludes all other faiths?

    • Fasdunkle

      Apartheid states such as saudi arabia often fund their apartheid ideology in UK universities

      • John Thunderer

        And apartheid states like Israel do likewise, as revealed by the Al Jazeera documentary, which exposed the actions of Israeli undercover agents in London and elsewhere in the UK trying to infiltrate our major political parties.
        £1 million in bribes was on offer to Labour Friends of Israel.

        • Fasdunkle

          Most countries have lobbyists, israel is no different in that regard.

          • John Thunderer

            There is a difference between lobbyists – who are legal – and undercover Israeli agents, who are illegal.
            The UK Government has chosen – not for the first time – to sweep Israeli illegality under the carpet.
            The illegal existence of Israel was aided and abetted by the UK Government from the very start.

          • Fasdunkle

            in what way do you believe it was illegal?

          • John Thunderer

            In every way.

          • Fasdunkle

            None of it was illegal.

          • John Thunderer

            It was all illegal.

          • Fasdunkle

            lol, don’t be so silly

    • Pat Mc Ginley

      peepsqueek. As you know, or should know, the Israel/Palestinian is completely different from most of the other tragedies you list – which could also include the shameful treatment of the indigenous people in the U.S., etc. But the hardships facing migrants and the innocent victims in Yemen have a common cause i.e. wars-for-profit, U.S. empire-building and the Israeli expansionist agenda. Concentration Camp Gaza has no parallel anywhere today. Nor has the decades-long vicious, inhumane treatment of Palestinians in general, by the vile Israeli regime – evidenced by the decades-long condemnation of the regime at the U.N. by the vast majority of countries worldwide. Plus, many Jews – including in Israel – who point out that Zionism is a political movement which uses Judaism as a recruiting tool which harms their ability to co-exist peacefully with other religions worldwide, who mistakenly believe that all Jews are Zionists. Instead of trying to make these typical pathetic, absurd attempts at parity, supporters of Israel and ordinary Israelis should acknowledge that massively superior weaponry, apartheid walls, etc. are no substitute for justice. BDS!

      • peepsqueek

        Before the wall and fences, and before their was a single Israeli settlement in the West Bank and Gaza, Israel was a constant target for terrorism. From 1948 to 1967 Gaza was occupied by Egypt and the West Bank was occupied by Jordan, and there was no mention of an independent Palestinian State. Collective Arab Countries tried several times to destroy the one tine Jewish State and lost. You don’t get to go back to the status quo with each subsequent defeat.

        Every last Jew was removed from Gaza 11 years ago, and within weeks, Hamas rockets rained down on Israel. Every rock is an act of war with a known Israeli response. Lesson learned! Settlement critics think it would be better for peace if the West Bank (biblical birthplace of David, Solomon, and Jesus) were free of Jews. Just for balance, attempt to visit the birthplace of Muhammad, Mr. Mc Ginley. Jews and Christians used to live in Mecca before the invention of Islam, and in the 21st century, they are still forbidden. There is no balanced scale in the Middle East.

        If the campus protests were really about human rights, the entire Middle East should be indicted for institutional apartheid, sectarian apartheid, religious apartheid, gender apartheid, restrictions on human rights, religious rights, women’s rights, gay rights, free press, freedom of association, and severe punishments for unauthorized sexual encounters and apostasy???

        • Pat Mc Ginley

          As an atheist I totally agree that religion is a prime cause of human right’s abuses against women in particular. And I look forward to the day when science education about evolution, etc., will confine these horrors to the dustbin of history where they belong.
          But Muslims aren’t the only victims of religion being used for political reasons. And they are also the victims of extremely violent Zionism in Gaza, etc, which is a political form of Judaism.
          Since the Zionist claim on Palestine is based on the Bible – based on a 6,000 year-old Earth and creationism – it’s totally false because the overwhelming scientific evidence – including DNA, embryology, fossil, etc – proves that humans evolved and the Earth is millions of years old. For example, how do you reconcile the Bible account of human origins with the fact that most people have some Neanderthal DNA because some humans migrating from Africa – the birthplace of human evolution – mated with Neanderthals?

          • peepsqueek

            “they are also the victims of extremely violent Zionism in Gaza” –Like I said, every last Jew was removed from Gaza 11 years ago, and it appeased no one, as Hamas rocks began to fly into Israel within weeks, knowing that Israel is going to respond. Hamas declared war on Israel and a war is not over until the last combatant is either dead or lays down his arms.

            “how do you reconcile the Bible account of human origins with the fact that most people have some Neanderthal DNA because some humans migrating from Africa” — The biblical account of creation/Adam and Eve is 3500 years old and is fantasy and fiction. Human bones have been found in East Africa by archeologists that collective science agree are approximately one million years old. The reason we have Neanderthal genes is for one reason only, and I am not allowed to talk about sexual activity on this website. When I told my wife that I may have some Neanderthal genes, she told me that that explains my eating habits.

          • Pat Mc Ginley

            Very good. I’m sure I have my fair share too. I’m a life-long smoker, unfortunately, and apparently this addition might be attributable to our Neanderthal genes.
            At least we agree about something. But since you also know the Biblical claim on Palestine is based on pre-science knowledge and there’s no valid reason to still accept it as fact, what other justification is there for Palestinians being driven from their homes by guys from Brooklyn, etc? And all of the other gross injustices based on the false claim?

          • peepsqueek

            They were all ruled for the last four hundred years by the Ottoman Turks. The Arab territories all gained their independence because of the allied victory over the Ottoman Turks and their German allies in WWI. Balfour was the first to recognize that the Jewish people needed a tiny country in their own historical homeland. The Balfour Declaration helped to bring about the Allies’ victory, it helped to bring about the emancipation of all the Arab territories from Turkish rule, leaving Copts, Assyrians, Jews, Armenians, Kurds, Azides, Berbers, and many others without an independent state. The majority tribal Africans in the Sudan became another Arab/Muslim nation?

            The banner of Islam flies over 99.9% of the Middle East land mass. Islamists are very honest about wanting it to fly over 100% In the year 1900 there were only 53 independent states/countries. Today there are 193 independent states, and most of them involved some bloodshed and real or perceived injustice. I tend to lean toward the collective Jewish people having this one tiny homeland and to be able to defend it.

            Who gets to control the promised land? “As Muslims, we believe in the Torah [as revealed to Moses] and the Psalms as revealed to David. We do accept anything in the Old Testament that agrees with the Qur’an.” It really does not matter who said this, is it True or False?

            The first five books of the Old Testament are sometimes called the Pentateuch which means “five books.” They are also known as the books of the law because they contain the laws and instruction given by the Lord through Moses to the people of Israel.

            I am an atheist, but I and others would like a clear answer to this religious and ideological conflict between the two faiths who both believe in the very same so-called words of God, the same God of Moses.

          • Pat Mc Ginley

            There shouldn’t be Jewish states or Muslim states or Protestant states or Catholic states, etc. Especially now when we know these religions are based on myths and only survive as mass movements because of their very-real benefits for the powerful and wealthy i.e. tools of control and mega cash-cows. Regarding Christianity, Emperor Constantine set the template for church/state mutual back-scratching. Evidenced today by a deafening silence from religious institutions on these endless wars-for-profit, unjust laws which benefit the rich at the expense of the poor, etc. In return, the wealthy institutions get tax-free status and all the perks for being pillars of the Establishment. And the U.S. is lurching towards a theocracy, greatly aided now by fascist billionaire Emperor Chump who many fundamentalists regard as the new ‘Michael the Archangel’. Google it for yourself. It’s hellish scary!

          • peepsqueek

            You are throwing too much stuff out there regarding this one issue. The Western world has separation of Church and State and everyone gets one vote, and President Trump may embarrass us with his speech, but it still takes 2/3rds of Congress to pass bill/laws/regulations, and even if the President vetoes a bill, it can by overridden by 2/3rds of Congress.

            To your first point, the reality is, there are 57 declared Muslim States at the United Nations, all members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the largest voting bloc at the UN General Assembly, so you have to make room for one tiny Jewish State.

            Another reality is that most of the Muslim States are signatories to the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights:
            Article 19: “There shall be NO crime or punishment EXCEPT as provided for in the Sharia.”
            Article 24: “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia.”
            Article 25: “The Islamic Sharia is the ONLY source of reference for the explanation or clarification of ANY of the articles of this Declaration.”
            So, just for balance, they are going to have to accept one tiny Jewish State.

            And last, Jewish people are a collective people, like Spanish, Swedish, Polish, Danish, Finnish, Turkish, Irish, British, and Jewish people living in my community. We are all American with different cultural and historic identities.

          • Pat Mc Ginley

            My ‘throwing too many things things out there’ is simply looking at the big-picture behind all of this. Extremely important when trying to identify the primary cause. But it’s obvious to me now that you prefer to narrow-in on the parochial issues instead i.e. look at the symptoms and not the cause, because the cause is too uncomfortable. Would that be a fair assessment of your position? It’s a legitimate one, of course. But therein, lies the main problem which offers no realistic prospect for a solution. Everyone sticking to their comfort-zones for cultural and tradition reasons.

          • peepsqueek

            Since we are all tribal by nature and will even fight over the color of your shirt at a sporting event, my position is that the world body has to resolves some of these issues by using a balanced scale, and hold every Country to the very same standards of human rights, if human rights were truly the issue being assessed.

          • Pat Mc Ginley

            Yes indeed a balanced scale is needed. But what we have here is one group of people increasingly evicting another group of people from their homes, bulldozing them, to house their own people. Justified by a book they wrote, which is now obviously a work of fiction. By any reasonable standards this is absurd and inexcusable. And every other country in the world would be supporting BDS to end these gross injustices and inhumanity if Israel wasn’t funded by U.S. taxpayers to the tune of $3+ billion every year – thanks to Israel using some of the money to bribe easily-bribed U.S. politicians plus the Bible by convicted conman-turned-pastor Scofield which is responsible for the approx. 60 million Christian Zionists. As we all know very few countries are willing to directly confront The Empire – military installations in 140+ countries, etc. Plus, full support from the U.K. due to deep infiltration of Zionist bribes into the vast majority of U.K. political parties, media, etc. Without all of these things Israel would face much more well-deserved worldwide condemnation. And perhaps ordinary Israelis would realise that the status-quo isn’t viable in the longterm because it’s so dependent on foreign money and support which can’t be relied on indefinitely. They should address the many legitimate Palestinian grievances. But, there’s no chance of this happening while Israelis continue to vote for extreme right-wing leaders who only care about themselves.

          • peepsqueek

            @ Pat, 1.5 million Palestinian Arabs live in Israel proper as citizens, on land that hypocritical activists say was ethnically cleansed. Arab Israelis have a longer life expectancy in Israel than Americans in America, so much for the genocide. When the West Bank was occupied by Jordan and Gaza was occupied by Egypt, there was never any talk about an independent Palestinian State. It was just used as a staging ground for attacking Israelis, until after the 1967 War was lost. A war which collective Arab States initiated several time and lost. Israel, Jordan, and Egypt have maintained peace agreement for decades.

          • Pat Mc Ginley

            The map of increasingly-decreasing Palestine – which you can easily Google – tells the truth much better than words can. But, it’s obvious we’re not going to agree so – for fear of endless repetition – I rest my case and let anyone interested make their own minds up, eh?

          • peepsqueek

            You have to understand the Israel/Palestine dynamics. Every last Jew was removed from Gaza 11 years ago, and Hamas rockets rained down on Israel within weeks. Lesson learned. Before there was a single Israeli settlement in the West Bank or Gaza, Israel was a constant target for terrorism. Looking at the map does not explain to the readers the full picture.

          • Pat Mc Ginley

            I don’t support any religious flag flying over any land. And I would be surprised that an atheist, like you, would support a Jewish flag flying over Israel, except for the fact that, for Zionists, Zionism tops everything else. Other examples include atheist activists Sam Harris, Bill Mayer, etc. Plus, socialist Bernie Sanders who I support on social justice issues but his Zionism bars him from outright condemnation of Israeli injustices.
            You talk about Israel being a constant target for terrorism. But ignore the fact that Israel is a terrorist-state, founded on terrorism, deception and bribes. I dare say if your neigbourhood was invaded you’d become a terrorist but rightly consider yourself a freedom fighter. I know, I would.

          • peepsqueek

            Again you are not using a balanced scale, for example: After the Jordanians, captured the “West Bank” including East Jerusalem in 1948, they forcibly evicted all Jewish residents who were rightfully there. They uprooted Jewish cemeteries, using the grave-markers for pavers and other projects. They destroyed almost every synagogue. Later, after the ’67 war, Jews rightfully started to return.

            The periodic removal of Jews from Gaza goes back at least to the Romans in 61 of the Christian era, followed much later by the Crusaders, Napoleon, the Ottoman Turks, the British, the contemporary Egyptians, and again in 2005 under pressure from settlement critics, international opinion, and Hamas. Within weeks Hamas rockets rained down on Israel civilian populations.

            And last, Jews are a collective people, and know their collective history whether they are pious or secular. Neither the Crusaders nor the Nazis paused to ask whether someone was Ashkenazi or Sephardi, pious or unlearned or secular, before slaughtering a Jew(s). The Jews were Christ killers to the Church, and genetically inferior to the Nazis were the excuses. And when an Islamic terrorist launches an attack, he doesn’t stop to assess whether his intended victim is wearing a kippa, or no head covering at all, whether he is Ashkenazi, Sephardic or Mizrahi? They have struck Jews across the centuries regardless of their genetic, political, social, economic or religious standing. Jews have vowed never again and built a tiny viable and dynamic Country with their own collective brains, language, rituals, celebrations, and are at the forefront of science, technoloy, medicine, food production, etc, and that for some reason pisssses a lot of people off. Just for balance, would you complain if the Middle East and North Africa were 100% Islamic land? Because the banner of Islam flies over 99.9% now, and see very little improvement in human rights and constant sectarian conflicts.

          • John Thunderer

            I’ll just say this: I don’t believe one single word of any of the so-called “holy” books – and that includes the Torah.
            It – and the later abomination, the Talmud – are utterly fabricated rubbish.
            If you want to base a right of residence on the basis of utter rubbish, be my guest.
            However, don’t be surprised if others refuse to accept the lying tosh you have been mind-washed with.
            So, too, are all the major organised religions utter rubbish.
            And – yes – that does also include Judaism too.

          • peepsqueek

            Fine! So BDS Israel, and ignore the other 28 ongoing conflicts and border wars in the world today involving Muslim leaders and Muslim regimes. How many Islamic Countries are you boycotting today in the name of “human rights”? Please be specific!

          • Helen4Yemen

            “The periodic removal of Jews from Gaza goes back at least to the Romans in 61 of the Christian era, followed much later by the Crusaders, Napoleon, the Ottoman Turks,”

            …………..
            90 to 95% of world Jewry is white European Ashkenazi. Did the Crusaders, the Romans, the Ottomans go to Lithuania, Russia, Germany looking for these white Jews? The Jews who live in Palestine were indigenous and not white Europeans as the Ashkenazi is.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “And last, Jews are a collective people, and know their collective history whether they are pious or secular.”

            The white Jew hates the black Jews and see them as embarrassment. The white Jews attempted total annihilation of the black Jews via forced sterilization. The Yemeni Jew never came face to face with the Ashkenazi until 1948. The Yemeni Jews shares nothing with the European Jew except for a common religion.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “Jews have vowed never again and built a tiny viable and dynamic Country with their own collective brains”
            ………..
            The problem is that this lily white Jew chose the wrong place to erect his state.He is totally European at confirmed DNA reports of 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern ancestry. Explain what this alien is doing on Arab land?

          • peepsqueek

            Where can I find the DNA study of millions of Ashkenazi Jews and the DNA study of hundreds of millions of Arabs and so-called Arabs. Are we going to start sending all people back where they came from, or just Jews?

          • Helen4Yemen

            JUST SHOW ME ONE DNA REPORT FOR ANY ASHKENAZI THAT HAS EVEN 1% MIDDLE EAST ANCESTRY – JUST 1%. GOT ONE?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Do you think they examined all the Ashenazi in the world to determine that their rate for this illness is 1 in 100?
            __________________

            More Ashkenazi Jews Have Gene Defect that Raises Inherited Breast Cancer Risk

            An inherited genetic mutation that increases the risk of breast cancer in Jewish women of Eastern European descent is three times more common than previously estimated, according to a study led by researchers at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York.

            In the October issue of Nature Genetics, the team reports that the BRCA2 gene mutation is found in one out of every 100 Ashkenazi Jews, a group that includes more than 90% of the six million Jews living in the United States. The new estimate is based on an analysis of blood samples from more than 1,200 men and women of Ashkenazi descent.

            Based on the new estimate of the BRCA2 mutation in the Ashkenazi population, the researchers predict that the risk of early-onset breast cancer is increased by 31-fold in Ashkenazi women with the BRCA1 mutation and by nine-fold in those with the BRCA2 mutation, compared to women in the general population.

            http://theoncologist. alphamedpress. org/content/1/5/335.full

          • Helen4Yemen

            Scientists Discover Gene That Predisposes Ashkenazi Jews to Schizophrenia
            Variations of the DNST3 gene make Ashkenazi Jews 40 percent more likely to develop schizophrenia and similar diseases.

            Ido Efrati – Haaretz – Nov 26, 2013
            Israeli and American scientists have discovered a gene among Ashkenazi Jews that increases their chances of developing the mental disorder schizophrenia, as well schizoaffective disorder and manic depression. According to a study recently published in Nature Communications, the gene in question raisesAshkenazi Jews’ chances of experiencing the disorders by roughly 40%, and by 15% in the general population.
            The study was conducted by Professor Ariel Darvasi, assistant dean of the Faculty of Life Sciences at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in coordination with Dr. Todd Lencz from The Feinstein Institute for Medical Research in New York. The first portion of the study included the largest-ever sample group of Ashkenazi Jews ever researched. Of the 2,500 Ashkenazi Jews from Israel who contributed DNA samples for the study, 1,500 were healthy, while 1,000 were affected by mental disorders related to schizophrenia.
            The reason for choosing Ashkenazi Jews as the subject for the study, of all groups available, is rooted in the fact that Ashkenazi Jews are considered to be a an especially homogenous group, in terms of genetics. The limited genetic variation among Ashkenazi Jews allows for easy identification of differences between healthy and affected individuals. Professor Darvasi has studied Ashkenazi Jews for many years and employed the latest technology available to analyze the DNA samples he received for the study.
            “Current technology allows for very comprehensive DNA analysis and the ability to read millions of SNP points – basically, links in the DNA chain – at the same time, which makes for very effective scanning of DNA,” Darvasi told Haaretz. During the first part of the study, the scientists checked for the prevalence of the NDST3 gene, which exists in 99.9% of the population. “But there are two specific variations of it that stand out among those with these disorders,” Darvasi said. The results of the study found that Ashkenazi Jews who have the variations are 40 percent more likely to contract a schizophrenia-related disorder than those without it.
            Checking the samples collected from Ashkenazi Jews was only the first part of the experiment. Following the compilation of thee results, the scientists began the second stage – a more comprehensive examination of other population groups. “After we saw that the first sample was relevant, we continued to investigate the connection between the gene and the diseases among other populations from around the world. In the end, samples from over 25,000 people were checked, including people from Europe, Asia and Africa – which basically covers all the primary ethnicities of the human race,” explained Darvasi.
            The larger sample group also found a correlation between schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and manic depression and the prevalence of the NDST3 gene, although the numbers were lower. “In terms of the larger sample group, the prevalence of that same gene increased the chances of contracting the diseases by 15% on average, in the other populations that were studied,” continued Darvasi.
            The study took roughly three years, and was funded by an initial grant of $2.1 million from the National Health Institute in the United States. Based on their results, the scientists earned another grant of $3 million to continue their research.
            Roughly 1% of the population is affected by schizophrenia. Those with the disease lose interest in their surroundings, develop dark emotions and sometimes imagine hearing voices or seeing figures that do not exist. Many scientists believe that genes have a great deal of influence on the disease, alongside other environmental and hereditary factors. It has proven difficult to identify the genes associated with the disease, as there is clearly more than one gene responsible.
            Professor Darvasi himself has been searching for the genetic connection to schizophrenia for years, primarily by researching groups of Ashkenazi Jews. In 2002, a team of scientists he led claimed that a gene called COMT is one of the causes of the disease, responsible for some 20% of all cases of schizophrenia. “We keep adding more information and discovering more genes, we hope to report in the future on more finds like this, with the help of larger samples. That’s what we’re working on now,” said Darvasi.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are the Jews Crazy?

            Posted on January 19, 2014 by Richard Edmondson

            By Ariadna Theokopoulos

            Are the Jews crazy? No! Not all of them. Only the Ashkenazi Jews and not all of them either, but many more than they ever feared and the rest of us ever suspected.

            It has been known for a long time that the Ashkenazi Jews, which represent 95% of all Jews, are susceptible to some severe and profoundly debilitating genetic diseases specific to their ethnic group, like:

            Tay-Sachs Disease (carrier rate 1:25 births), Canavan (1:40), Niemann-Pick (1:90), Gaucher’s (1:14), Familial Familial Dysautonomia (1:30), Bloom Syndrome (1:100), Fanconi anemia (1:89), Cystic Fibrosis (1:25) and Mucolipidosis IV.

            If two carriers of the same disorder have children, there is a 25% chance of having an affected child, a 50% chance of having a child who is a carrier like themselves, and a 25% chance of having a child who is neither affected nor a carrier.

            The response to this awareness at the general public level in Israel has been for the affected individuals to …. sue the doctors who did not counsel their parents to abort them, a legal novelty that came to be known as “wrongful birth suit.”

            In these lawsuit claims, doctors are held liable for not discovering fetal abnormalities that might have prompted parents to abort their child.

            Wrongful life/birth claims, according to LifeSiteNews, are more prevalent in Israel where a higher rate of genetic disorders caused by consanguineous (connected by kinship) marriages has fueled a “pro-genetic testing culture.”

            At the community level the concern has encouraged American Jews to promote research and demand better funding for research targeted to these diseases (shades of “primacy of Jewish sufering”), and in Israel to create a national registry to get a better grip on the problem and also provide a venue for donors (e.g., of marrow).

            At the same time intensified Israeli research into the Ashkenazi genetic diseases has paid unexpected dividends. In an article recently published in the most prestigious scientific journal, Nature, Israeli researchers announced the discovery of a genetic marker for major psychiatric disorders with high heritability like schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorders, manic depression and bipolar disorder linked in a genome-wide association in the Ashkenazi Jewish population, in lay language a mutated gene that makes Ashkenazi Jews 40% more likely to develop these severe psychiatric disorders than non-Jews.

            That is a huge figure. The prevalence of schizophrenia in the US is given as anywhere between 1: and 4:1,000, which means that of every 1,000 American non-Jews you come into contact with at least one or as many as four are likely to be schizophrenics. The Nature findings can be extrapolated to mean that of every 100 American Jews you meet, as many as 16 are, if not all schizophrenics, at least carriers of the defective gene to pass on to their progeny. I could not find the prevalence of schizophrenia in Israel in any source.
            The Nature study used sophisticated statistical analyses, a large sample cohort (904 schizophrenic) and a very large (1,640) control group, both from “certified” Askenazi Jews.

            Therefore a disproportionate number of Jews are affected by severe psychiatric disorders arising from a mutated gene due to inbreeding and the only cure is worse than the disease and in fact worse than death: the dreaded abomination, the “A” word, assimilation!

            Why would “G-d” punish His “chosen” people so cruelly and place them between a rock and a hard place?

            Or maybe it was not that “G-d” who did it but the ancient Greek gods, of whom it was said:

            “Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

            https://richardedmondson . net/2014/01/19/are-the-jews-crazy/

          • peepsqueek

            You might want to explain why every place with significant Jews, the Jews are disproportionately, for their numbers– educators, writers, scientists, inventors, doctors, lawyers, musicians, comedians, film makers, small business, etc. “Crazy” does not explain it. Cultural dynamics explains why groups of people demonstrate who they are by their over-all achievements and contributions.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “the Jews are disproportionately, for their numbers– educators, writers, scientists, inventors, doctors, lawyers, musicians, comedians, film makers, small business”

            Not “the Jews”, you meant to say the ASHKENAZI JEWS – since African and Arab Jews are totally different from the ASHKENAZI in every respect.

            Jewish genetic diseases are a group of disorders that occur with higher frequency in the Jewish population. The Ashkenazi Jews, those whose ancestors were from Central and Eastern Europe (i.e. Poland, Russia, Germany, Lithuania, etc.) are at higher risk than the general population for several genetic diseases. (www. templebeth-el. com)

          • Helen4Yemen

            ONLY THE GODDAMNED LEECHES – LEECHING OFF ARAB LAND!

          • peepsqueek

            How did the entire Middle East and North Africa become “Arab” land? Please be specific!

          • Helen4Yemen

            These are the genetic groups under Europe. The entire world accepts their DNA results EXCEPT for one group called the Ashkenazi. They are in SHOCK when they receive their DNA reports. They have been told that they are not of European but of Middle Eastern ancestry and they do not know what to make of it when their DNA reports shows that they have 0% ancestry to the Middle East but 99.9% to Europe. Here are the genetic groups for Europe:
            Please understand that the Ashkenazi DNA is always under Europe.

            23andme European?

            Northwestern European
            a) British & Irish
            b) Finnish
            c) French & German
            d) Scandinavian
            Southern European
            a) Balkan
            b) Iberian
            c) Italian
            d) Sardinian
            Eastern European
            Ashkenazi

            Ancestry*com European

            Europe East
            Europe West
            European Jewish
            Finland-Northwestern Russia
            Great Britain
            Iberian Peninsula
            Ireland
            Italy-Greece
            Scandinavia

          • John Thunderer

            And local housing committees do not want “Arabs” living in their communities inside Israel.
            Another case of separate but equal, I suppose.
            Now where have I seen that before?

          • peepsqueek

            Where have you seen equality anywhere in the Middle East? Please be specific! The main factor that made it possible for a religious and ethnic minority in the Middle East (the Jews), to achieve their present status and affluence, free of the persecution and discrimination to which they were subjected in the past are some of the strongest reasons that justify a different stance in Israel’s case. So I will ask you again- Can you name another religious or ethnic minority in the Middle East that has the full right of self determination?

          • John Thunderer

            People have rights – not ideologies, which are always open to question.
            All peoples presently in Occupied Palestine should enjoy equal rights – but they do not.
            The racist supremacist ideology of zionism has made sure of that.
            Little wonder that half the world’s Jews choose not to live under zionist tyranny.

          • peepsqueek

            Attempt to use a balanced scale when judging the Middle East. The banner of Islam flies over 99.9% of the Middle East and North African land mass, and everyone is subjected to some form of Islamic sharia, with the exception of the tiny Israel.

          • peepsqueek

            Just for balance, are women not people also? Half the Islamic population, just using women as an example, do not enjoy equal rights. Not one woman in the Islamic world is allowed by law to put on a pair of shorts and go jogging or swimming publicly. Then you have non-Muslims and sectarian conflicts just among themselves. I am not sure why you are so racist. What is your specific historic cultural identity?

          • Helen4Yemen

            “And last, Jewish people are a collective people, like Spanish, Swedish, Polish, Danish, Finnish, Turkish, Irish, British”

            1) The people you mentioned have many things in common such ancestry, language, history, customs and traditions, genetics and so on. The Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen, Germany, India, China have NOTHING in common except for the common religion such like the Yemen and Nigerian Muslims.

            2) The Jewish people are not a collective people since the white Jews attempted to annihilate the black Jews by injecting the Jewish women to sterilize them,

            3) The Ashkenazi are in fact with a common European history, appearance, genetics. The average Ashkenazi has a score of 96% in a genetic group they call “Ashkenazi”.

            4) Look at this link that has many videos, articles and pictures about how the white Jews hate the black Jews

            https://disqus*com/home/discussion/channel-semite/ethiopian_jews_face_severe_discrimination/

            (replace * with dot)

          • peepsqueek

            You can play this propaganda game all you want, using racism as your primary tool, and a I agree that racism, sexism, tribalism, sectarianism, nationalism, classism, are all universal human conditions. You are using it as an excuse to support the destruction of the one tiny Jewish State, which seems to be your only ambition in this website. You could care less about the other 28 conflicts and border wars in the world today involving Muslim leaders and Muslim regimes.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Same dopey stuff from you every time. This tiny Jewish thugdom of invaders is throttling the people of Palestine, including the Christians.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Interesting that you do not deny any of the statements I made:

            1) The people you mentioned have many things in common such ancestry, language, history, customs and traditions, genetics, appearance and so on. The Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen, Germany, India, China have NOTHING in common except for the common religion just like the Yemeni and Nigerian Muslims.

            2) The Jewish people are not a collective people since the white Jews attempted to annihilate the black Jews by injecting the Jewish women to sterilize them. (see link below)

            3) The Ashkenazi are in fact a people unto themselves with a common European history, appearance, genetic, language (Yiddish). The average Ashkenazi has a score of 96% in a genetic group they call “Ashkenazi”.

          • peepsqueek

            “Interesting that you do not deny any of the statements I made” Unlike yourself, I cannot speak for all these people in every circumstance.

            What connects the 57 Countries that are all members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, even while they are killing each other during all these sectarian conflicts.

          • Helen4Yemen

            True or false:

            The Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen, Germany, India, China have NOTHING in common except for the common religion just like the Yemeni and Nigerian Muslims.

          • Helen4Yemen

            True or false?

            The Ashkenazi are in fact a people unto themselves with a common European history, appearance, genetic, language (Yiddish). The average Ashkenazi has a score of 96% in a genetic group they call “Ashkenazi”.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why is that your business?

          • Helen4Yemen

            “you have to make room for one tiny Jewish State.”

            Why don’t the European make room for their European brothers … unless you will tell me that lily-white Ashkenazi is not European?
            Palestine is no Ashkenazi grandmother’s land, is it? Why is the white man on that land?

          • Helen4Yemen

            ” they are going to have to accept one tiny Jewish State”
            Why didn’t the Europeans accept and embrace their own European Jews?

            List of Jewish expulsions from Europe:

            – 250 Carthage – 415 Alexandria – 554 Diocèse of Clermont (France) – 561 Diocèse of Uzès (France) – 612 Visigoth Spain – 642 Visigoth Empire – 855 Italy – 876 Sens – 1012 Mainz – 1182 France – 1182 Germany – 1276 Upper Bavaria – 1290 England – 1306 France – 1322 France (again) – 1348 Switzerland – 1349 Hielbronn (Germany) – 1349 Saxony – 1349 Hungary – 1360 Hungary – 1370 Belgium – 1380 Slovakia – 1388 Strasbourg – 1394 Germany – 1394 France – 1420 Lyons – 1421 Austria – 1424 Fribourg – 1424 Zurich – 1424 Cologne – 1432 Savoy – 1438 Mainz – 1439 Augsburg – 1442 Netherlands – 1444 Netherlands – 1446 Bavaria – 1453 France – 1453 Breslau – 1454 Wurzburg – 1462 Mainz – 1483 Mainz – 1484 Warsaw – 1485 Vincenza (Italy) – 1492 Spain – 1492 Italy – 1495 Lithuania – 1496 Naples – 1496 Portugal – 1498 Nuremberg – 1498 Navarre – 1510 Brandenberg – 1510 Prussia – 1514 Strasbourg – 1515 Genoa – 1519 Regensburg – 1533 Naples – 1541 Naples – 1542 Prague & Bohemia – 1550 Genoa – 1551 Bavaria – 1555 Pesaro – 1557 Prague – 1559 Austria – 1561 Prague – 1567 Wurzburg – 1569 Papal States – 1571 Brandenburg – 1582 Netherlands – 1582 Hungary – 1593 Brandenburg, Austria – 1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi – 1614 Frankfort – 1615 Worms – 1619 Kiev – 1648 Ukraine – 1648 Poland – 1649 Hamburg – 1654 Little Russia (Beylorus) – 1656 Lithuania – 1669 Oran (North Africa) – 1669 Vienna – 1670 Vienna – 1712 Sandomir – 1727 Russia – 1738 Wurtemburg – 1740 Little Russia (Beylorus) – 1744 Prague, Bohemia – 1744 Slovakia – 1744 Livonia – 1745 Moravia – 1753 Kovad (Lithuania) – 1761 Bordeaux – 1772 Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia) – 1775 Warsaw – 1789 Alsace – 1804 Villages in Russia – 1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia) – 1815 Lbeck & Bremen – 1815 Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria – 1820 Bremen – 1843 Russian Border Austria & Prussia – 1862 Areas in the U.S. under General Grant’s Jurisdiction[1] – 1866 Galatz, Romania – 1880s Russia – 1891 Moscow – 1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews) – 193845 Nazi Controlled Areas – 1948 Arab Countries

          • Helen4Yemen

            “They were all ruled for the last four hundred years by the Ottoman Turks.”

            Why is it the Ashkenazi and not the Eskmos or the Hutus or Hindus that colonized Arab land? What do the Ashkenazi, the Eskmos, the Hutus, Hindus have in common? They are all at 0% Middle East ancestry.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “I tend to lean toward the collective Jewish people having this one tiny homeland and to be able to defend it.”

            But why is this tiny state not erected in Europe where the Ashkenazi has a confirmed DNA of 99.9% instead of in Palestine where his ancestry ties are at 0%?

          • peepsqueek

            Revisit history in Europe, and 2,000 years of Christian love. And there are more Arab/Muslims living in Israel proper than all of the Middle East Countries put together, because of history that you continue to omit from your arguments.

          • Helen4Yemen

            90% of world Jewry is European who adopted Judaism in the 9th century.

            You are not trying to say that lily white Ashkenazi is a descendant of Israelite, are you?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Koran has very few and mild negative things to say against Christians but a lot of very harsh criticism against Jews, I am mean a lot! It looks like you want endorsement from the Koran that says Ashkenazi were entitled to Arab land? But the European Jews had not converted till the 9th century, centuries after Islam arrived.
            ________________–

            Koran 4:160 For the wrongdoings done by the Jews, We forbade them certain good things that had been permitted to them before: for having frequently debarred others from God’s path; 16I for taking usury when they had been forbidden to do so; and for wrongfully devouring other people’s property. For those of them that reject the truth we have prepared an agonizing torment.

          • peepsqueek

            I case you did not know, Jews, even those who accepted Jesus (the first Christians were Jews) angered Muhammad because they refused to accept his new religion. Jews and Christians lived in Mecca before the invention of Islam, and to this day in 2017, are forbidden from entering.

          • Helen4Yemen

            And when did the Ashkenazi become Jews?

          • Helen4Yemen

            No, the Jews told Muhammad if he renounced Jesus that they would accept him and he refused.

            Btw: Those were Arab Jews and not the Ashkenazi who converted only in the 9th century.

          • peepsqueek

            “The Jews” told Muhammad??? Any names, dates, or documentation as to what “The Jews” told Muhammad?

            And second– When in Europe was it ever a benefit to convert to Judaism?

        • Helen4Yemen

          Is Palestine any Ashkenazi grandmother’s land? Why is this white man on Arab land? Why would the white man believe he belongs on Arab land?

        • Helen4Yemen

          “if the West Bank (biblical birthplace of David, Solomon, and Jesus) were free of Jews.
          ……………..
          But they are not from Palestine but from UR, Iraq. Those were pure YR folks that kept their UR blood 100 UR

          Joshua 23:12-13 Don’t ever turn your backs on him by marrying people from the nations that are left in the land. Don’t even make friends with them. I tell you that if you are friendly with those nations, the Lord won’t chase them away when you attack. Instead, they’ll be like a trap for your feet, a whip on your back, and thorns in your eyes. And finally, none of you will be left in this good land that the Lord has given you.

        • Helen4Yemen

          “Before the walls and fences and weapons blockades, and before their was a single Israeli settlement in the West Bank and Gaza, Israel was a constant target for terrorism.”
          ____________
          the Ashkenazi in Palestine is a foreign European colonial settler who is colonizing their land and controlling and terrorizing them. Is there any other people who would sit back and do nothing when foreigners invade their land? There is none! The theft of Palestine is indefensible.
          ____________
          Jabotinsky: “My readers have a general idea of the history of colonization in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonization being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage. And it made no difference whatever whether the colonists behaved decently or not.”

          • peepsqueek

            How did Arabs acquire the entire Middle East? They were a minority in their own Empire for many centuries.

          • Helen4Yemen

            CONVERSION – IDIOT!

            Unless you think they murdered all the people that
            were conquered, yea, idiot?
            ——–
            Note: “fellahin” is referring to the Palestinian farmers.

            David Ben-Gurion – 1918: “The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century CE. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement.”

            David Ben-Gurion- 1918: “Even in their former habitations the Arabs did not engage in farming…their whole interest in the new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam, and to collect taxes…the Jewish farmer, like any other farmer, was not easily torn from his soil…Despite the repression and suffering the rural population remained unchanged.”

            Itzhak Ben-Zvi – 1929: “The great majority of the fellahin do not descend from the Arab conquerors but before that, from the Jewish fellahin, who were the foundation of this country before its conquest by Islam.”

            Benny Morris: “The vast majority of Arabs who live in Palestine originated in Palestine, ‘originated’ meaning they have been living in Palestine for hundreds of years.”

            Translation: The Arabs did not expel the natives of the land and take their place, they did not settle on the land, they were there only to convert the people into Islam, therefore, the current Palestinian population are the descendants of those who were already there before the arrival of the Arabs. The Palestinian Jews (who later converted to Christianity and then to Islam) never left their land nor were they replaced by the Arabs. The Arabs did not come to settle on the land but rather “to rule, to propagate Islam, and to collect taxes”. The Jewish farmers were attached to their land. “was not easily torn from his soil” and the current Palestinians are in fact the descendants of the people who were already there on that land before the arrival of the Arabs.

          • peepsqueek

            You actually think calling me an “idiot” makes your argument stronger? That only shows weakness in your argument. Of course they were not all murdered, there were murders, many left their lands, and many were forced to convert for survival or to have more status. Non-Muslims took a lower status in the conquered world.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You look like an IDIOT when you copy and paste and not give credit to the source!

          • peepsqueek

            If I told you that Queen Isabella commissioned Cristoforo Colombo to sail around the world to find a new route to India, but Colombo ran into the Americas do I need to produce a specific source? It was a major factor that caused the fall of the Islamic Empire. And that the Europeans bypassing Near East and Middle East trading routes by navigating across the seas and circumnavigating Africa needs a specific source? And that the new rulers of the Middle East were Turkic people from Central Asia? If not for oil, the Middle East would have remained in a state of sectarian conflicts, as there is still continuous sectarian conflicts today.

            You only look like an “idiot”, Helen, when you attempt to discredit these known factors without any, as in zero, contradictory evidence.

      • peepsqueek

        “Israel/Palestinian is completely different” The main factor that made it possible for one religious and ethnic minority in the Middle East (the Jews), to achieve their present status and affluence, free of the persecution and discrimination to which they were subjected in the past are some of the strongest reasons that justify a different stance in Israel’s case. The BDS movement cannot name another religious or ethnic minority in the Middle East that has the full right of self determination?

        • Helen4Yemen

          1) Are the Nigerian, Chinese, Indian, Lithuanian, Yemeni Jews an “ethnic group”?

          2) The Ashkenazi and the Eskimos are both at exactly the same level of Middle ancestry – at 0% for both? Can the Eskimos too come to Palestine to do self-determination?

          3) Abraham-Issac-Jacob were from UR-Iraq and not from Palestine? Why not go to Basra and do self-determination.

          3) This lily-white man that goes by the Ashkenazi now in Palestine is a predatory leech, a colonial settler like the French in Algeria.

      • Helen4Yemen

        “who mistakenly believe that all Jews are Zionists”

        1- Over 90% of Jewish Israelis say Gaza op justified ~ Timesofisrael ~
        2- A survey by the Israel Democracy Institute found that 95 percent of Israeli Jews think the operation in Gaza is just, ~ Washingtonpost ~
        3- Israeli polls show overwhelming support for Gaza campaign ~ The Guardian ~
        4- 95 percent of Jewish Israelis support the Gaza war ~ Vox ~
        5- Poll: Overwhelming Majority of Jewish Israelis Say Gaza Op Justified ~ Haaretz ~
        6- Poll: 90% of Israeli Jews believe Gaza operation is justified ~ Ynetnews ~
        7- IsraeI: Poll Shows Almost Unanimous Support for Military Op in Gaza ~ Breitbart ~
        8- According to a new Gallup Poll released on August 1, when asked about the Gaza War, 93% of American Jews said they sympathize with Israel ~ Algemeiner ~
        9- ADL Survey Shows American Jews Overwhelmingly Supported Israel’s Gaza Action ~ ADL ~

    • Helen4Yemen

      The Iraq war and ‘Greater Israel

      Here is from Ari Shavit – Haaretz – March 4, 2003

      “In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them JEWISH, almost all of them intellectuals people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history
      a partial list:

      Richard Perle,
      Paul Wolfowitz,
      Douglas Feith,
      William Kristol,
      Eliot Abrams,
      Charles Krauthammer”

      • John Thunderer

        Vile disgusting scum the lot of them.
        This whole rabble were probably behind the 911 attack on the World Trade Towers.
        They then exploited this event for their “War of Terror” in the Middle East.
        These neo-traitors were more than happy to expend vast amounts of US dollars and lives for zionism.
        The Yinon Plan is clearly their goal.
        They are all traitors to America – and traitors to all humankind across our small blue planet Earth.

        • peepsqueek

          On what specific factual basis do believe they were behind 9-11?

      • peepsqueek

        Security Council Press Release
        4644th Meeting (AM)
        OFFERS FINAL CHANCE TO COMPLY, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1441 (2002)
        Holding Iraq in “material breach” of its obligations under previous resolutions, the Security Council this morning decided to afford it a “final opportunity to comply” with its disarmament obligations, while setting up an enhanced inspection regime for full and verified completion of the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991). — (Saddam was in violation of 17 Security Council Resolutions since 1991)

        Saddam basically gave the United Nations Security Counsel the fickle finger of fate. All Saddam had to do was comply with this unanimous peaceful resolution. That would have changed this history. Two years a ago, Iran complied with a similar resolution, also unanimous with the Security Counsel, and saved themselves a similar fate.

  • Pat Mc Ginley

    To make sense of BBC 100% hostility against BDS, etc., we must acknowledge the fact that the BBC – including the BBC World Service – is the Establishment propaganda-wing. i.e. the state broadcaster. For example, head-man must be approved by the monarch and P.M. It’s impossible for any state broadcaster to be impartial and unbiased, even though this false claim is used to justify the compulsory licence fee. Therefore, the fight for Palestinian rights and the fight for justice in the U.K. is similarly opposed and lumbered by BBC 100% bias and partiality. The only hope is growing public awareness followed by public pressure to abolish the fraudulent licence fee – demanding our money under false pretences, one of the longest running criminal scams in history. To maintain the BBC’s main role as state broadcaster, the government would have to fund the BBC. This would remove the false credibility and trust which the BBC has, unfortunately, in the public mind.

    • John Thunderer

      One of the other pressures is financial. The BBC now comes under commercial pressure when trying to sell its “product” to overseas markets – and who largely controls the international entertainment market? American zionists.
      So, the BBC is having to kowtow to Tory Zionists in the UK and a rag bag of zionists of one sort or another in the US.
      That is why they are incapable of being fair or balanced where Palestine is concerned.

  • Ashleigh Shaw

    Simply indicative of the BBC bias towards israeli occupation policy. No shock here.

  • Jonathan

    The BBC had no obligation to “disclose” Dvora Khafi’s role because antisemitism includes claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour (see IHRA Definition accepted by UK Government). The mistake you guys make is to pretend that Judaism and Zionism are entirely different. Truth is they are two sides of the same coin!

    • Helen4Yemen

      Absolutely!

      Numbers 33:55 But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then those whom you let remain will be like thorns in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will show hostility to you in the land in which you live. 56 And what I had planned to do to them, I will do to you.

  • Seán McGouran

    Judaism and Zionism are most emphatically *not* ‘both sides of the same coin’. Most ‘religious’ Jews are anti-Zionist. ‘Zionism’ was dreamed-up in east / central Europe, as part of the process of late-Romantic era nationalism. The Jews weren’t a ‘nation’ but then, neither were the Czechs – and ‘Czechoslovakia’ was dreamed-up in the University of London during the 1914-’18 war. ‘Yugoslavia’ was given a ‘history’ which it didn’t really have – by the same institution. It is now half a dozen happily independent nations / nationalities – Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Hungarians, Albanians, Greeks, Romanians. And some Italian-speakers (I think…).

    • Mike Abramov

      Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

      It’s no wonder that the pro-Palestine lobby is so branwashed. I am not interested in your interpretation of Europe and and Balkan history. It bears no relevance to Zionism.

      In 1894, Captain Alfred Dreyfus of the French army was dis-honoured and exiled to Devil’s Island on a trumped up charge of treason…because he was a Jew. A reporter from Switzerland called Theodore Herzl covered the case. From what he heard and saw was enough to say that the Jews must have a homeland of their own. He was the founder of Zionism.

      If you do not believe me, there are a dozen books on the subject.

      • John Thunderer

        It is a pity you have not yet got round to reading any of them.

        • Michael Abramov

          Well, you obviously haven’t.

          • John Thunderer

            It is not altogether your fault that you appear to be as ignorant as you are.
            This site has not published an earlier comment I submitted in which I pointed out that Herzl was not – as you had incorrectly claimed – Swiss but an Austro-Hungarian national.
            Also, he was not the founder of the vile ideology known as zionism.
            That predated him by quite some time.
            The claim that he adopted zionism in response to the Dreyfus trial is also highly questionable.
            Maybe the site administrator will let this comment be published so that even someone as ill-educated as you will become the better for the slight amount of knowledge your single brain cell is capable of retaining.

          • Fasdunkle

            You seem to have no problem posting articles to a muslim brotherhood site – maybe you support their vile ideology

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            As vile as Zionism? Which murdered millions of Europe’s non-Zionist Jews by blocking their escape from Hitler to other countries?

          • Fasdunkle

            lol, you nutters really are crazy

          • John Thunderer

            No – it is apologists for zionist supremacist racism like you who are nuts.
            We fought a world war to get rid of scum like the zionists.
            It seems we will just have to do it all over again.

          • Fasdunkle

            Utterly bonkers

          • John Thunderer

            That is you, all right.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Nope, documented truth.

            Fighting Asylum

            The entire Zionist establishment made its position unmistakable in its response to a motion by 227 British members of Parliament calling on the government to provide asylum in British territories for persecuted Jews. The meager undertaking which was prepared was as follows:

            His Majesty’s Government issued some hundreds of Mauritius and other immigration permits in favor of threatened Jewish families. [86]

            But even this token measure was opposed by the Zionist leaders. At a Parliamentary meeting on January 27, 1943, when the next steps were being pursued by over one hundred members of Parliament, a spokesperson for the Zionists announced that they opposed this motion because it did not contain preparations for the colonization of Palestine. This was a consistent stance.

            Chaim Weizmann, the Zionist leader who had arranged the Balfour Declaration and was to become the first president of Israel, made this Zionist policy very explicit:

            The hopes of Europe’s six million Jews are centered on emigration. I was asked: “Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?” I replied, “No.” … From the depths of the tragedy I want to save … young people [for Palestine]. The old ones will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They are dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world … Only the branch of the young shall survive. They have to accept it. [87]

            Yitzhak Gruenbaum, the chairperson of the committee set up by the Zionists, nominally to investigate the condition of European Jews, said:

            When they come to us with two plans – the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land – I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land. If there would be a possibility today of buying packages of food with the money of the Karen Hayesod [United Jewish Appeal] to send it through Lisbon, would we do such a thing? No. And once again no! [88]].

            ->https://www.marxists.ORG/history/etol/document/mideast/hidden/ch06.htm

          • Helen4Yemen

            Yesterday, your enemy was the entire Christian West and today the entire Muslim world. Don’t you get tired of being hated?

          • Mike Abramov

            Mr. Thunderer – you are absolutely right. My mistake. I must have got him confused with Einstein, another great Jew, who studied in Switzerland.

            Yes, he was not the founder of Zionism. He was however the energy brains and drive in to bringing Zionism to the fore as the only way the Jews could find a home that was free of Jew haters. Having said that, Israel is still surrounded by countries who hate Jews. Sometimes, you cannot win.

            Why is the Dreyfus case not, in your eyes, the motivation behind his Zionist zeal. If not the Dreyfus case, what was it?

            As for you final comment re: ‘single brain cell’, I am not offended because when insults creep in to the dialogue it is a sign that you are losing the argument. After all, a man of your intelligence should not be insulting anyone with a different opinion unless you feel intimidated by my sense of calm.

          • John Thunderer

            If you are seriously interested in this area, study the Manchester School of Zionism and the role of David Lloyd George – the world’s most famous Welshman born in Manchester – in promoting and assisting zionism.
            Zionism by itself would have achieved nothing if not for the imperial ambitions and religious ideology of Lloyd George. He was the true architect of the Balfour Declaration and of General Allenby seizing control over
            Palestine at the end of World War One.
            Even then, zionism would undoubtedly have remained in the doldrums had it not been for Hitler, the Second World War and the perception of the holocaust being massively exploited by the zionists.
            There obviously was collusion between the British occupying power in Palestine and the zionists in 1947-1948 but that story remains to this day largely untold.
            One honourable exception was Major George Derek Cooper OBE MC. He was awarded the Military Cross in 1948 for his service defending the Arab population in Jaffa from the advancing Yishuv forces, in the weeks after the Deir Yassin massacre.

          • Mike Abramov

            Sir – it is indeed a pleasure to exchange thoughts with a fellow historian.

            My first thought was David Lloyd George, as a non-resident Welshman, had a degree of empathy for the Zionist cause. After all, Wales has been a principality of England for a thousand years. However, I do not adhere to the catergorising of Zionism as imperialism. If this was the case, Israel, with it’s brilliance and strategy in warfare, could have conquered the entire Middle East by now. I will get back to you when i have read what’s on-line about the Manchester School of Zionism.

            Yes, you are right again about the Holocaust which accelerated the establishment of a Jewish homeland. At this point one must take on board that in the 1930s not only were the German Jews robbed of their possessions if they tried to flee Germany before 1935, but the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 meant that Jews lost their statehood as well. Argentina and the USA turned away shiploads of Jews and to come to England, Chamberlain, who did not like Jews, only allowed Jewish children to enter at a cost per head of £50.00. This was a fortune then.

            As for the final paragraph, this is ‘confused history’.The Arab population of Jaffa was important to the burgeoning Jewish state as an indigenous people of Palestine and great efforts were made to circumnavigate Jaffa by the Israeli army. Were there Arabs in Jaffa fighting against the new State of Israel?

            Finally, the Balfour Declaration remains open to interpretation. Was the document a way of dispatching Jews out of England or, was it a genuine, heartfelt gesture by the British in recognition of centuries of anti-Semitism?

            We must not overlook the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916. The Arabs under King Faisal stopped fighting each other and managed to fight together against the Ottomans thus freeing the Gulf of Aqaba on the promise that they would be independent after the war. King Faisal governed Iraq under the British Mandate but, the other Arab countries were divided up by the French and the British. Why didn’t the Arabs rebel against this latter day imperialism?

            Your thoughts please.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Russia was excited about Zionism as a way to remove the Jews from Russia.

            Russia was very excited at the prospect of cleansing Russia of its Jewry. Here is from Herzl Diary entry of AuG 10, 1903 ________________ Yacheslav, Plehve 1888-1902 assistant minister of the interior of the Russian Government 1902-1904 Minister of the interior Here is Thodor Herzl diary entry for his his meeting with Plehve 10-Aug-1903 Day before yesterday, in the morning, with Plehve only a brief wait, a man of sixty, rather stout, steps quickly forward, greets me, bids me be seated and begins to talk. He has a shallow, grave countenance, grey hair, white mustache, and remarkably youthful, energetic brown eyes. He spoke in French, not brilliant but not bad, he begun by clearing the ground “I have accorded you this interview, at your request in order to come to an understanding with you in respect to the Zionist movement, of which you are the leader. The relations which shall prevail between the Imperial government and Zionism-and which could become -I will not say friendly but in the nature of an agreement -will depend upon you’ I interjected: if it depends on me, Your Excellency, they will be excellent.””” He nodded and continued: “the Jewish question is not vital to us, but still it is fairly important. And we are trying to settle it in the most amicable way possible. I have grated you this discussion of it before your Congress meets at Basel, as you requested.” That was it, I believe, the first critical move in this ‘immortal game’ of chess. For I understood all along that he attached much importance to the forthcoming Zionist congress, obviously because he saw that the Kishinev business was bound to come up there for a frank airing. When that happens I could be in the position of doing him a service by cutting the thing short. Plehve: “What sort of help then do you ask of us?” I developed the three points, which I have written down in the abstract of our conversation: 1.Russian intervention with the Sultan, in order to secure a charter for colonization of Palestine. 2.Russian financial aid for emigration, with money raised from Jewish funds and taxes 3.Government facilitation of Russian Zionist organizational work He agreed to all the three points without hesitation. In regard to financing the emigration, he explained, I concede that the government should carry it out, but we can take the funds only from Jewish pockets. The rich must pay the poor. It is an excellent idea, I said. In the end, we agreed that I should draw up a summary and also outline what I intended to say at the Zionist Congress. When I felt that we had nothing more to say to each other and he had ordered me to prepare the summary, I rose and asked him to grant me another audience after he had examined the document. He promised to do so. I turned to go, he pressed my hand, saying, “I am very happy to have met you in person”. And I too, your Excellency, I am happy to have seen the M. de Plehve about whom Europe talks so much about. He smiled and said: “and speaks so much evil.” The next day he said to dear old Mme orvin-Piarovska the he wished he could have at his departments a type of executive such as myself Theodor Herzl continues: I forgot: In the course of our talk when I explained to him the need for Russian intervention with the sultan, because Palestine was the only place that attracted us, I added some remarks on the difficulties of being admitted into other countries, even England and America. If emigration were to be subventioned with gov’t funds-as bruited about in St. Petersburg these days, and indeed published in the “Novoye Vremya” – it would be tanamount to putting an export premium on Jews; and the reluctance to receive them, which I knew of first hand in England, would be strengthened. A people would certainly be considered ‘undesirable’ for whose departure their own government is willing to pay a bonus. Plehve thought, to be sure, that England was out of the question when it came to a sizable emigration. America, though, was something else. It still had large territories available for settlement; and if the banker Seligman would approach his friend Roosevelt in the matter, something might be done. I said I didn’t regard this as possible; I couldn’t say anything positive about it, for I had never sounded out the American gov’t on the subject. Palestine, moreover, seemed to offer the one genuine opportunity.

            Yacheslav, Plehve

            1888-1902 assistant minister of the interior of the Russian Government

            1902-1904 Minister of the interior

            Here is Thodor Herzl diary entry for his his meeting with Plehve

            10-Aug-03

            Day before yesterday, in the morning, with Plehve only a brief wait, a man of sixty, rather stout, steps quickly forward, greets me, bids me be seated and begins to talk. He has a shallow, grave countenance, grey hair, white mustache, and remarkably youthful, energetic brown eyes. He spoke in French, not brilliant but not bad, he begun by clearing the ground

            “I have accorded you this interview, at your request in order to come to an understanding with you in respect to the Zionist movement, of which you are the leader. The relations which shall prevail between the Imperial government and Zionism-and which could become -I will not say friendly but in the nature of an agreement -will depend upon you’

            I interjected: if it depends on me, Your Excellency, they will be excellent.”””

            He nodded and continued: “the Jewish question is not vital to us, but still it is fairly important. And we are trying to settle it in the most amicable way possible. I have grated you this discussion of it before your Congress meets at Basel, as you requested.”

            That was it, I believe, the first critical move in this ‘immortal game’ of chess. For I understood all along that he attached much importance to the forthcoming Zionist congress, obviously because he saw that the Kishinev business was bound to come up there for a frank airing. When that happens I could be in the position of doing him a service by cutting the thing short.

            Plehve: “What sort of help then do you ask of us?”

            I developed the three points, which I have written down in the abstract of our conversation:

            1.Russian intervention with the Sultan, in order to secure a charter for colonization of Palestine.

            2.Russian financial aid for emigration, with money raised from Jewish funds and taxes

            3.Government facilitation of Russian Zionist organizational work

            He agreed to all the three points without hesitation.

            In regard to financing the emigration, he explained,

            I concede that the government should carry it out, but we can take the funds only from Jewish pockets. The rich must pay the poor.

            It is an excellent idea, I said.

            In the end, we agreed that I should draw up a summary and also outline what I intended to say at the Zionist Congress.

            When I felt that we had nothing more to say to each other and he had ordered me to prepare the summary, I rose and asked him to grant me another audience after he had examined the document. He promised to do so. I turned to go, he pressed my hand, saying, “I am very happy to have met you in person”.

            And I too, your Excellency, I am happy to have seen the M. de Plehve about whom Europe talks so much about.

            He smiled and said: “and speaks so much evil.”

            The next day he said to dear old Mme orvin-Piarovska the he wished he could have at his departments a type of executive such as myself

            Theodor Herzl continues:

            I forgot:

            In the course of our talk when I explained to him the need for Russian intervention with the sultan, because Palestine was the only place that attracted us, I added some remarks on the difficulties of being admitted into other countries, even England and America. If emigration were to be subventioned with gov’t funds-as bruited about in St. Petersburg these days, and indeed published in the “Novoye Vremya” – it would be tantamount to putting an export premium on Jews; and the reluctance to receive them, which I knew of first hand in England, would be strengthened. A people would certainly be considered ‘undesirable’ for whose departure their own government is willing to pay a bonus.

            Plehve thought, to be sure, that England was out of the question when it came to a sizable emigration. America, though, was something else. It still had large territories available for settlement; and if the banker Seligman would approach his friend Roosevelt in the matter, something might be done. I said I didn’t regard this as possible; I couldn’t say anything positive about it, for I had never sounded out the American gov’t on the subject. Palestine, moreover, seemed to offer the one genuine opportunity.

          • Mike Abramov

            Interesting. 100 years later Poland, Russia and Lithuania are countries who had huge populations of Jews are now struggling to keep the memories and legacies of the Jewish contribution to the arts, culture, sciences, theatre, cinema, industry, commerce, banking, ‘et al’.

            If you get rid of Israel and ‘return it’s Jews’ to their lands of origin, Palestine will be a massive war zone. The infrastructure will collapse and their will ensue a divided Palestine between Sunni land and Shiite land. The reasons given will be that the Jews brought this catastrophe.

            Helen, if you are unable to reply ‘from your own thoughts’ then don’t bother replying.

          • Helen4Yemen

            The white Jews of Europe wanted only two places: America or Palestine.

            David Ben-Gurion : “If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”

            Chaim Weizmann: : “Palestine alone could absorb and provide for the homeless and the stateless Jews uprooted by the war. It is canalized all the sympathy of the world for the martyrdom of the Jews that the Zionists reject all schemes to resettle these victims elsewhere– in Germany, or Poland, or in sparsely populated regions such as Madagascar.” (1942)

          • Helen4Yemen

            I wonder why the white Jews who consider themselves descended from Abraham never bother to go after UR, the homeland of Abraham. After all, Palestine was the land stolen by the Abraham clan.

          • John Thunderer

            The proposals presented by the zionists at Versailles in 1919 included a map which we now refer to as Eretz (Greater) Yisrael, in which the borders of their proposed “homeland” would stretch from the River Nile to the River Euphrates. Arguably, in the inner sanctums of the ruling zionist Israeli elite, they are still committed to this goal, which is why the Yinon Plan continues rolling out before our very eyes on a daily basis.
            Your reference to German Jews being robbed of their possessions masks the reality of the Ha’avara (Transfer) Agreement, under which German Jews liquidated their financial interests in Germany and – by agreement between the Nazis and the Zionists – credits were sent to zionist banks in British Mandate Palestine, where the funds were used by the Palestinian Zionists to purchase capital equipment from Nazi Germany for the new migrants to set up new businesses in Palestine.
            True, the Nazis charged some sort of tax on the proceeds raised in Nazi Germany but this was done with the full agreement of the Palestinian and German zionists.
            I mention the fighting in Jaffa in defence of indigenous Palestinians at the time of the Nakba by Major Cooper because it was so exceptional. He was a truly remarkable individual – as his later life demonstrates – but he was one of the very few – if any – who took the British responsibility to protect the Palestinians from the terrorist activities of the zionists at all seriously.
            This period in time is one of great disgrace for the British.
            The Balfour Declaration was mainly designed to get the USA to enter the war alongside the Allies.
            People like Churchill also saw it as a way to protect imperial British interests by developing a European colony near to the Suez Canal route, which was so vital to British imperial interests. He was proved right – after a fashion – when Israel, together with Britain and France, invaded Egyptian territory in 1956.
            By then, however, the USA was THE major western power and was able to force the British, French and Israeli forces out of Egypt simply by threatening to use US economic power.
            The British lied to everyone during the First World War. Sykes-Picot came only late in the day. Earlier, it had also had a Russian co-signatory, under which Imperial Russia was promised Constantinople as part of the eventual spoils of war. The fall of the Romanovs led to the new Russian government withdrawing from the agreement.
            The McMahon Correspondence and other promises made to various Arabian groupings were only partly implemented or – in most cases – ignored after the war ended by “Perfidious” Britain.
            Without the events of World War Two, the Balfour Declaration probably would have been quietly forgotten too.

          • Mike Abramov

            I will address your points in order of appearance.

            Eretz Yisrael would only ever have been a dream insurmountable by it’s impracticalities and the logistics of manning borders hundreds of miles long. However, this is an opportune moment to quote the mantra of the PSC; ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’.

            In 1948, Trans-Jordan was a huge tract of land beginning on the West Bank and ending in Amman. All of this land was Arab (Palestine as an identity was not introduced until 1967 by Yasar Arafat which implies that the Arab-Israeli conflict prior to 1967 was a tribal/racial conflict. After 1967, it became a conflict of nationalism). Question: Therefore, is the mantra of the PSC a racist chant?

            Germany pre-1935 was in the early throes of making the country ‘Judenfrei.’. From 1933 onwards Jews lost their jobs in the civil service, in law, in finance and most importantly in education. Getting away from Germany meant disposing of your assets at way below market prices. The price of freedom. The word ‘tax’ is the euphemism for being ‘ripped off’. At this point, it is worth mentioning the Ken Livingstone incident where he cites one Lenni Brenner’s book on Zionists in Nazi Germany ‘collaborating’ with the Nazis to help get Jews out of Germany. Lenni Brenner, a left-wing historian, got his ‘information’ from one Robert Schoenmann,, another left-wing academic. Ken Livingstone read this literally and found himself in deep water because he wanted to believe it. Your reference to the Ha’avara was a ‘negotiation’ and NOT a ‘collaboration’ as both Schoenmann and Brenner insist.

            You mention Maj. Cooper in glowing terms. There were many British army officers who had an affinity with the Arabs as a people. The immediate name that comes to mind is T.E. Lawrence. Sometimes, what you get is an individual that has a chemistry with certain races and a compassion too. I for one have always had a bond with West Indians having grown up in N. London.

            I will bypass your comments about the Balfour Declaration as this is pure conjecture. What I will comment on is Suez 1956.

            Recently, I started reading an autobiography by Dr. Ghada Karmi, a Palestinian refugee. I got to page 35 where she refers to the Suez crisis. Previous pages of her autobiography were littered with opinion and not facts. However, when it came to Suez 1956, I stopped reading any further. According to her, Abdul Nasser did nothing wrong and was invaded by Israel for no justifiable reason. Wrong.

            Nasser had been the autocrat of Egypt since 1952 and was losing favour with the people. His commandeering of the Suez Canal, built by the French, was an act of nationalism. Despite heavy negotiation by the British and the French, Nasser was not going to budge. Israel liberated the canal on behalf of the British and the French. Not an act of tyranny by Israel, but an act of pragmatism on behalf of Israel’s allies and for the sake of world trade.

            However, here is a question for you..

            Palestine, a region and not a country, had been ruled by many conquerors since the end of the Roman Empire. The indigenous Arabs, who may have originated from a plethora of neighbouring Arab countries, never rebelled even when the British arrived in 1919. Yet, by 1936 there was the Arab Rebellion, not against British rule, but against Jewish immigration. In 1948, the State of Israel was declared, but nothing had really changed. Jews and Arabs still lived side-by-side, went to school together, worked together and were by all accounts had just a change of administration. Not until the War of Independence instigated by Egypt, Syria, Jordan ‘et al’, did the demographics of the area change as a result of the Arabs losing the war and resulting in the Nakba. Therefore, had the Arabs not invaded in 1948, there would not have been a Nakba.

            Secondly, had the Arabs won, there still would not be a Palestinian State. The region would have become Northern Egypt and Southern Syria. The identity of ‘Palestinian’ would never have become a part of Middle East vocabulary because the Arabs would have had Egyptian or Syrian passports. Would you still have the same campaigning spirit for the Palestinian identity in this possible outcome?

            Finally, what we cannot do is change the past, but we can learn from it. We both agree that the Russian Revolution was pivotal in changing the way the world is now. We also know that the had WW1 not happened, the 20th century would have a totally different map. WW1 brought to an end the Hapsburgs, the Ottomans and the Romanovs, who were all crumbling anyway. However, without WW1 there would never have been a WW2 and this is what the Arabs have taken years to realise. Trying to conquer Israel via Hamas, Hezbollah or even ISIS will only result in the death of more Arabs.

            I await your reply.

          • John Thunderer

            Eretz Yisrael makes sense if all indigenous peoples had been driven out of Palestine under the provisions of Plan Dalit and the entire Jewish population on Earth all migrated into the void made.

            Clearly, that was the intention of ben Gurion and the zionists – but, at some stage, they realised that achieving that objective would have meant their new state would have been founded on possibly the worst ever historic war crime of total ethnocide, exposing the new state to universal condemnation.

            So, they expelled or killed half the total population of Palestinians from Palestine to establish the new de facto (not de jure) zionist state.

            In the long run – they presumably concluded – they would achieve what they wanted provided they had the patience to wait until the “facts on the ground” were propitious.

            Their programme of slow-motion ethnic cleansing continues to this day, each and every day.

            As their saying goes, “one dunum at a time” in creating “facts on the ground”.

            Maybe now the new saying should be “one illegal settlement at a time” instead?

            Jewish zionists then and now convinced a lunatic christian zionist fringe in places like the USA that getting all the world’s Jews to migrate to the new zionist state was essential in ensuring the return of the christian messiah, who – christian zionists believe – will convert all Jews into christians.

            Why Jews would want to convert from their religion to one based on Yeshua the Jew (if he ever actually existed; there is no contemporary evidence he ever did) is, frankly speaking, beyond me.

            But this was the thinking of the neo-con USA brigade who were in the circles around the Bush Jr.

            All completely bonkers, of course, but that is the way of these crazies in the USA.

            ‘From the river to the sea’ is a reference to a single state in which peoples of whatever religion or belief should be equally free. That implies a single secular state in which all receive equal rights.

            Given the alternative – a religious state – I know which all Palestinians (and even some Jews) prefer.

            Any reasonable or rational individual would accept a single secular state – but not the rabid zionists.

            The Palestinian identity includes and incorporates all persons of any religion or race.

            Not only did Muslims and Jews and Samaritans co-exist historically in Mandate Palestine but so too did the Druze and Christians, as well as secular individuals of no fixed religious or political belief.

            The creation of the zionist state of Israel effectively wrecked the former balance between peoples.

            It was a state founded and maintained on terrorism, which continues now and on into the future.

            If you go to Wikipedia, you can see a copy of the Ha’avara Agreement, negotiated by Eliezer Hoofein, director of Anglo-Palestine Bank, and agreed to by the Reich Economics Ministry in 1933, which continued – with declining German government support – until it was wound up in 1939.

            A Leopold von Mildenstein Wikipedia entry has information on links between zionists and nazis.

            I am not saying such links were not uncontroversial among worldwide Jewry – but they did exist.

            Ben Gurion and zionists in Palestine cared only principally about increasing their numbers there.

            If that meant abandoning assimilated European Jews to the un-tender mercies of the Nazis, so be it.

            Ken Livingstone’s statement was exploited by zionist hasbaraists in order to attack the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn, because he is one of few UK political leaders in over a century that has any kind of sympathy for the Palestinians appalling situation living under murderous zionist tyranny.

            Nasser nationalised the Suez Canal, which had presumably been built with Egyptian labour.

            That was no pretext at all for Israel to get involved; it hadn’t even existed when the canal was built.

            The Suez adventure was a grubby and squalid operation designed to overthrow Nasser.

            Instead, it reinforced him and his regime, turning him into a hero for the entire Arabic Middle East.

            So much for the cleverness of the British, French and Israeli political leaders.

            What utter clods they were!

            Intervention then and now has always carried with it blow-back capabilities.

            Why are US, European and Israeli leaderships dense and stupid about learning that simple lesson?

            My understanding is that most of the indigenous Palestinians have lived in Palestine for all time.

            At different times, stretching back to Canaanite days and before, the majority have always lived on that land and they probably contain the vast majority of people who at one time or another worshipped in Greek temples, Roman temples, Jewish synagogues, Christian churches, Muslim mosques or whatever, depending upon who the rulers were.

            The Ashkenazim are now widely perceived as interloper Europeans and not South West Asians.

            They are latter-day European converts to Judaism with no historic claim to any part of Palestine.

            The few to retain that claim are the Samaritans, who now number only a few thousand in Palestine.

            Where I believe we have common ground is on the lack of support the Palestinians have received.

            In the first case, they never received support from Imperial Britain or the then League of Nations in being helped to achieve national self-determination, unlike Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran and a whole plethora of other nation-states that emerged after the break-up of the Ottoman Empire.

            If oil had been discovered in Palestine then maybe things would have turned out very differently.

            Local nation-states like Jordan always put their own interests first before those of Palestine.

            During the Nakba, the King of Jordan and ben Gurion had an agreement not to fight each other.

            The King got the West Bank and ben Gurion got 1948 Occupied Palestine.

            Ever since, the neighbouring Arab countries have been ineffectual in aiding Palestinian rights.

            Ultimately, the toll this conflict is exacting on everyone will tell.

            The zionists are turning into their own worst nightmare: Nazis in all but name.

            The freedom fighters may end up realising the zionist accusations of terrorism.

            They may well conclude that if it worked for the zionists, why not for them?

            After all, what do they have to lose – and what might they gain instead?

          • Mike Abramov

            Sir – you have provided me with a deluge of questions and interpretations that time does not allow an adequate response.

            I am about to leave home to go to a Catholic church where my Jewish son is handing his daughter over to his Catholic girlfriend so that my grand-daughter can be baptised.

            I will get back to you, but, brace yourself. Your comments are inflammatory.

          • Michael Abramov

            Sir – your reply has become a diatribe.

            Let me start with a general guide to the Jew.

            1. There are Jews who are Zionists. (Vociferous)
            2. There are Jews who are just Jews. (nonchalant)
            3. There are Jews who are anti-Zionists. (Vociferous)

            Your comments in the first paragraphs regarding Ben-Gurion are mis-leading. I will explain why.

            Zionism is a passion on a scale that is comparable to a spiritual experience. One does not have to be a Jew to feel this, or even religious (Zionism was and still is fundamentally secular) as in my case. I mention this because being spiritual and being religious are two completely different mind-sets. However, the left-wing intelligentsia seem to catergorise anything that is not Marxist as the ‘opium of the people’.

            You make many references to the conversion of the West Bank from Arab to Israeli as something sinister. The problem I am constantly up against is the three Zones as in A, B, and C. The left-wing maps contrast dramatically to the maps of the actual occupied territories. However, at some point. the Likud Party will lose and a more centerist party will emerge to address the balance. What I envisage is a return of some of the occupied territories inclusive of the infra-structure, as in Gaza 2005. What I then envisage is that the returned territories will then be launching sites for Palestinian extremists. The next stage is obvious. Another war….and so it goes on.

            I am not going to bother with a rebuttal of your comment above for the simple reason that you are reverting to the ‘blame game’ and more importantly, referring to the Jewish State as; ‘Nazis in all but name’. Unacceptable.

            If you do not understand the minds of Christian Zionists, that is a matter for your intellect however, by comparing the situation in Israel/Palestine as Nazi in all but name is an indication of one of two things. You either have no idea what the Nazis did between 1933 and 1945 or, you are running out of constructive criticism of a very difficult political situation.

            I conclude with the following:

            In 1945, the Jews had lost 33% of their population. The Jews of Europe had also lost their homes, their money, their possessions and in many cases, their statehood (ref:Palestinian too). So, what did the Jews do. They got up, brushed themselves down and started all over again. They moved to Palestine, illegally in many cases because the world did not give a s..t about the Jewish refugees. They went to America, Canada, England and South America.

            In 1948, Israel was attached on all sides by their Arab neighbours, and the Arabs lost. This resulted in a refugee problem. So, what did the Arabs do? Dumped themselves in refugee camps in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon and have stayed there ever since and done nothing but try to instigate another war in the name of Jihad. They have lived off charity and tales of how wonderful Palestine was before 1948. They are waiting for their ‘Right-to-Return’…..80% of the refugees are now dead so their issue have no idea about how Palestine was. These people are dreamers of a time long gone and will not move forward…..unlike thew Jews

          • John Thunderer

            I find your comments about the nature of zionism very interesting.
            I have always felt that there had to be more to it than just wanting to live in one small part of the world.
            I suspect there is much more to the Jewish religion and Zionism than most non-Jews understand.
            How else to explain the almost fanatical devotion of Jewish zionists to their cause?
            How else to explain the Jewish Agency’s bombing of the immigrant ship Patria in 1940, killing an estimated 267 people, of whom more than 200 were Jews fleeing the Nazis?
            It would be useful for me and many others to know about what really motivates zionists
            When I used the term ‘Nazis in all but name’ I was thinking of the conduct of individuals such as Amon Leopold Göth. Off-hand, you probably have no idea who he was. He was the camp commandant of the Kraków-Płaszów concentration camp in Płaszów in German-occupied Poland for most of the camp’s existence during World War II. In the film Schindler’s List, he is portrayed by the British actor Ralph Fiennes, who – in one scene – casually picks up a rifle from a balcony position overlooking the camp and shoots dead one inmate who he feels is not working hard enough. This scene was based on a real incident.
            If you go to the Hamde Abu Rahma Facebook site, you will see there the face of an Israeli soldier who behaved similarly in shooting dead an unarmed innocent Palestinian aged just 20 years of age.
            That young boy – unlike you – will never live to see his son or daughter grow up and realise a partnership which might make him a grandfather. That option was removed from him by an Israeli soldier who we all know will enjoy total impunity for his actions, just as Israel does each and every day.
            I know scores of people in the Occupied West Bank area of Palestine with similar experiences of having their children murdered and wounded by Israeli soldiers.
            Add to that the experience of armed thugs in military uniforms bashing YOUR door down in the early hours of the morning, assaulting all the members of YOUR family and dragging away one of YOUR youngest children for an indefinite period of detention – and how would YOU feel?
            Would you not feel there was some degree of similarity between such behaviour and Nazism?
            Right now, more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners are ion hunger strike against the appalling conditions they are kept under. Some may not survive the strike. Have you no compassion for them or their families?
            As for the Oslo A, B, C zones, you forget one thing: they were agreed to as TEMPORARY measures for no more than five years while the new State of Palestine was being established. As with so much else, it turns out to be yet another pretence for stalling any real solution locally which might confer peace and stability on the Palestinian people. The “agreement” has turned out not to be worth the paper it is written on.
            In his book “Inside the Third Reich”, Albert Speer recounts one story in which the leading Nazis decided to buy an ornate chest to give to von Ribbentrop to store all the foreign treaties he had signed on behalf of the Third Reich.
            As he placed each of the treaties inside the chest, von Ribbentrop realised he – and the Third Reich – had broken every single one of them, which led to considerable mirth on the part of all the Nazi notables present.
            Frankly, I imagine the crowd around Netanyahu must behave in a similar way from time to time.
            They no doubt find it amusing to recount the “agreements” they have entered into and failed to honour.
            You say ‘In 1945, the Jews had lost 33% of their population. The Jews of Europe had also lost their homes, their money, their possessions and in many cases, their statehood (ref:Palestinian too).
            In the Nakba, at least 50% of Palestinians lost their homes, money, possessions and statehood.
            Is it really right that a greater wrong was visited upon the poor innocent Palestinians who had had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened to the Jews and others in Nazi Occupied Europe?
            Of course not!
            I spoke with an 80-year old Palestinian woman whose family lived in Jerusalem at the time of the Nakba.
            When they heard – from zionist loudspeakers mounted on vans – what had happened in Deir Yassin, her family decided to leave Jerusalem for Jordan for a few weeks while the situation calmed down in Palestine.
            Neither she nor any other member of her family has been able to return to their home in Jerusalem since.
            I think you mean well but I also think you have been mind-washed with whitewash hasbara propaganda.
            You may esteem the founders and practitioners of zionism but I feel the ones who have ended up in control are a wholly different – and vile – species compared to you and even Theodore Herzl himself.

          • Mike Abramov

            . I have the Thank you for your reply.

            I am rather gob-smacked that you feel I have never heard of Amon Goth. I have been to Krakow twice. I read the original book by Tom Kenealy in 1984 which was called Schindler’s Ark, I have the DVD of course and I have been studying WW2 as 20th century history since I was a kid. Therefore, we are on level terms. Most zionists are quite well read, you know.

            Next.

            As usual, the PSC delegation argue for the prosecution. However, we will ignore the more than 480 innocent people blown up by suicide bombers before the dividing wall was built in Jerusalem. We will ignore the 45+ innocent ‘people’ murdered on the streets of Jerusalem this year alone by fanatical Palestinians. The behaviour of extreme Palestinian violence is perfectly understandable, isn’t it.

            After all, the Jewish State is a Nazi state isn’t it. The Palestinians are kept in concentration camps and are tattood with a number on their left arm and forced to wear striped tops and trousers. When they have been worked to the bone, they are pushed in to makeshift shower rooms and poisoned with Zyklon B, aren’t they.

            They are then burned in gas ovens, aren’t they.

            I read ‘Inside the Third Reich’ about three years ago. As an auto-biography, the work must be treated with great care because Speer, with all his charm, omitted a great deal especially the declaration of the Final Solution in 1942 in Wansee. He insists that he was not there, but we both know that was a lie. So, why would you believe anything else he says in his auto-biography, unless you are gullible.

            OK. Now lets stop the blame game. Your task, before you reply, is to list a series of possible solutions that you consider would satisfy both Israel and Palestine. It needs to be coherent, sensitive and manageable.

            Take as long as you like.

          • John Thunderer

            The reason I thought you might not know of Amon Leopold Göth is because he was a relatively low-level individual, of whom Hannah Arendt’s reference to “the banality of evil” seems completely appropriate.

            Bizarrely, he was tried and found guilty by the SS in 1944 of theft of Jewish property (which belonged to the state, according to Nazi legislation), failure to provide adequate food to the prisoners under his charge, violation of concentration camp regulations regarding the treatment and punishment of prisoners, and allowing unauthorised access to camp personnel records by prisoners and non-commissioned officers.

            However, SS doctors diagnosed Göth as suffering from mental illness and he was committed to a mental institution in Bad Tölz, where he was arrested by the United States military in May 1945.

            This low-level case does raise questions as to what codes of conduct the SS expected camp commanders to adhere to. Even the SS – seemingly – had some sort of concept of justice.

            Where Speer is concerned, I accept that some may feel he put a gloss on his involvement at a very high level in the Third Reich to deflect himself from criticism. However, I believe his book (which I gave away some years ago) had numerous sources to support many of his statements from memory, so I would tend to give him some sort of benefit of the doubt. He clearly realised towards the end that Hitler was insane and he took considerable personal risks to ensure that some sort of Germany would survive Hitler’s demise.

            Presumably, you also want to ignore the more than 2,000 Gazans who were murdered during the last major attack on Gaza – including more than 500 totally innocent children. If Gaza is not a concentration camp I do not know what is. Maybe a better comparison is with the Warsaw Ghetto instead?

            We know that Stalin ordered his Red Army to wait across a river while the Nazis liquidated all the inhabitants of Warsaw, rather like the Israeli civilians who lounged on sofas while the Israel Air Force dropped illegal phosphorous bombs and fleshette bombs designed to tear apart the bodies and limbs of young children in Gaza. Does that fact make you feel proud of your fellow zionists in Israel?

            We are – thankfully – living in a different era. As Professor Steven Pinker has pointed out in his book “The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined”, there seems to be a historical process at play which sees each succeeding era become less violent than the ones before.

            What ben Gurion and others of his ilk inflicted upon the people of Palestine 70 years ago is today largely unthinkable. Yes, there continue to be bouts of mass murdering and ethnic genocide taking place around the world but at much lower levels of intensity than in the past. No one today can replicate what happened in Occupied Europe in the 1940s – however much some of them today might wish to do so.

            Finally, I suggest one simple solution for former British Mandate Palestine. Make it all a single secular state with legally enforceable equal rights for all, regardless of beliefs. Rather like the US or UK are today.

            The right of return or right of aliyah should be equally granted to all the world’s citizens. Where people either cannot or wish not to return, they should be compensated for any historic losses by a commission established and paid for by the US, UK and Israel. It will be cheap solution for peace, what ever it costs.

            I remain intrigued by your description of zionism as being spiritual, rather than religious or ideological.

            Can you suggest a fairly short work that may convey this in more detail and can be accessed on-line?

          • Michael Abramov

            It appears that we are of similar ages and of similar levels of learning. I will address your points in order of appearance.

            It should come as no surprise that Amon Goth was just one example of the level of corruption and dishonesty that perpetuated itself in the Nazi era. Herman Goering quite rightly stated, while in prison in Nuremberg, that; ‘the Nazis will be remembered as the worst criminals in history’.

            No, I do not wish to ignore the 2,000 innocent Gazans that lost their lives due to the insane arrogance of their war mongering leaders headed by Mashaal. Just because I am a Zionist does not mean I do not care about people. I am primarily a humanitarian. Those two wars were totally avoidable. The mis-guided belief that Hamas could win any conflict against Israel is indicative of a mind-set of total insanity. Mashaal hid in Doha while the people of Gaza were used as human shields. Is that what you call a government?

            One of the last acts of Stalin was the ‘Purge of the Jewish Doctors in 1947’. Why should he care that Jews were being murdered ‘en masse’ in Warsaw. He was a total psychopath who had a drunken and violent father and a doting mother….just like Hitler.

            Israel is already a single secular state. May i refer you to a quote by Prof. Ilan Pappe who mentioned to me directly that the ‘Arabs just did not want a Jewish state in the ME’. My friend, the conflict of Israel-Palestine is racial, not political. What more can Israel do for it’s Arab citizens? They are allowed their own schools where they are taught Arabic as their first language. They have total democratic rights, a parliament of all colours and most importantly, gay rights. Israel is the only country out of it’s 22 Arab neighbours that does not imprison gay men….or chop their heads off….or throw them off rooftops as they do in Gaza.

            As for the right-of return, it took years of legal battles and much disappointment by Jewish refugees to receive recompense from the Poles, Czecks and Austrians. The Germans just held their hands up and got on with it.

            The Palestinians are in a state of shock and have never got over losing the war in 1948 and in 1967. The tactic of dumping themselves in to refugee camps is emotional blackmail.

            Finally, if Israel-Palestine became a one-state solution the following will happen. There will ensue a civil war between the Sunnis and the Shiites. They will then attack the Jewish minority. That will lead to a green flag for Hezbollah to attack and build a majority Shiite country. ISIS will attack to fight to make the land majority Sunni.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “They moved to Palestine”

            What connects the white man known as the Ashkenazi to Palestine? Is he descended from Abraham?

            __________
            Genesis 15:18 At that time the Lord made an agreement with Abram and told him: I will give your descendants the land east of the Shihor River on the border of Egypt as far as the Euphrates River.
            _________________

            Is the Ashkenazi at confirmed DNA of 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern descended from the Israelite of UR-IRAQ?

      • Seán McGouran

        How was Dreyfus exhonorated? It was largely by Catholic-Royalists like MacMahon and De Gaulle / MacCartans who campaigned to get Dreyfus out of Devil’s Island.
        Certain sorts of anti-Semitism were ‘progressive’ – the government that put Dreyfus away was led the the Radical Party (Manchester Liberals). The Socialists were suspect because their leader was Jewish , I’ve forgotten his name, he was assassinated on the declaration of war on Germany in 1914.
        His name was Jaures – there should be a grave over the ‘e’ – but this machine is cussed.

        • John Thunderer

          If you type up a version of your comment in a Word document, you can insert different symbols into your text.

          When you are finished, copy and paste the text into the comment box.

          Auguste Marie Joseph Jean Léon Jaurès was assassinated 31 July 1914 by Raoul Villain, a rabid French nationalist, though Villain was acquitted of Jaurès murder in a jury trial in 1919.

          Israel has no monopoly on pseudo-justice, it would seem.

          As for the Ignoramus Abramov, he is a hasbara troll.

          Nothing he says should be taken at all seriously.

          He gets paid 30 Shekels a shift for producing his rubbish.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “As for the Ignoramus Abramov, he is a hasbara troll.”

            Yes!

        • Michael Abramov

          Well done sir. Your research and knowledge is to be commended.

          The issue however, was that the Dreyfus trial was the trigger for a Jewish homeland after nearly 1,000 years of unjustified massacres and pogroms.

          You mentioned Germany. Ironically, Germany was the second modern country in Europe to grant their Jews equal rights. I always felt that the Nazi period painted a wrong picture of Germans in general in so far as the Germans were no more anti-Semitic than any other country but, The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 made anti-Semitism government policy.

          • Helen4Yemen

            “he trigger for a Jewish homeland after nearly 1,000 years of unjustified massacres and pogroms”

            That homeland should be where the Ashkenazi came from unless of course your are going to tell me that Palestine is Ashkenazi grandmother’s land? Is it?

    • Helen4Yemen

      Czechs Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Hungarians, Albanians, Greeks, Romanians are a people who have something in common like language, customs, history, ancestry and so on. What do the German, Yemeni, Ethiopian, Chinese, Indian Jews have in common? Absolutely nothing except for a common religion just like the Yemeni Muslim and the Nigerian Muslim, If these groups were asking for self–determination, they were asking for what was theirs. The Ashkenazi was asking for what God promised a man named Abraham from UR-IRAQ, 1,000 miles from Palestine. The European Ashkenazi used the fraud of “coming back” to insert himself where he does not belong. The Ashkenazi is a European colonial settler like the French in Algeria and the British in Kenya. A rose by any other name is always a rose.

    • Helen4Yemen

      Religious Jews are not anti-Zionist because they are concerned about the Palestinians. Their objection is religious based that the timing is wrong. Please remember that 95% of world Jewry (US, UK, Palestine) supported the Gaza carnage of 2009 and 2014.

      • Seán McGouran

        Where does the “95%” come from?

        • Helen4Yemen

          1- Over 90% of Jewish Israelis say Gaza op justified ~ Timesofisrael ~
          2- A survey by the Israel Democracy Institute found that 95 percent of Israeli Jews think the operation in Gaza is just, ~ Washingtonpost ~
          3- Israeli polls show overwhelming support for Gaza campaign ~ The Guardian ~
          4- 95 percent of Jewish Israelis support the Gaza war ~ Vox ~
          5- Poll: Overwhelming Majority of Jewish Israelis Say Gaza Op Justified ~ Haaretz ~
          6- Poll: 90% of Israeli Jews believe Gaza operation is justified ~ Ynetnews ~
          7- IsraeI: Poll Shows Almost Unanimous Support for Military Op in Gaza ~ Breitbart ~
          8- According to a new Gallup Poll released on August 1, when asked about the Gaza War, 93% of American Jews said they sympathize with Israel ~ Algemeiner ~
          9- ADL Survey Shows American Jews Overwhelmingly Supported Israel’s Gaza Action ~ ADL ~

          You will find the links to the stories mentioned above here:

          https://disqus*com/home/channel/israelies/discussion/channel-israelies/95_of_jews_supported_the_gaza_wars/

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    • Helen4Yemen

      “as part of the process of late-Romantic era nationalism”

      What kind of nationalism do white Europeans arrive on a land inhabited by people of color to do their ‘self-determination” i.e.on stolen soil?

  • Kronsteen

    Typical BBC propaganda. They do not deserve the licence fee. Oh, and Israels disgraceful treatment of the Palestiniansis indefensible.

  • John Thunderer

    The BBC has been under the control of zionist hasbara stooges for at least a decade.
    As others have pointed out, it is also under the control of government, which controls the BBC charter and method of BBC funding.
    As in all considerations of power, follow the money or the wishes of those who control the money supply.
    The government has recently refused to apologise for the Balfour Declaration.
    The recent Al Jazeera expose on zionist attempts to infiltrate all political parties was something the BBC would never have broadcast.
    BBC top and middle management are all zionist stooges and lackeys.
    Anyone expecting BBC even-handed impartiality is deluding themselves.
    It is more than their job is worth for any BBC employee to support Palestinian freedom.
    Now we get to understand how Goebbels propaganda tactics worked in Nazi Germany.

    • Mike Abramov

      Mr. Thunderer – your diatribe of left-wing, anti-Zionist, camouflaged anti-Semitism does not fool me pal. Since when did the BBC come under the influence of ‘Zionist Stooges’.

      You should be old enough to remember when the BBC was totally pro-Palestinian when Jeremy Bowen was ME correspondent. Your job is to furnish evidence that the BBC is controlled by Zionists.

      I await your reply.

      • Helen4Yemen

        “camouflaged anti-Semitism”

        This is meant to silence people from saying anything about the predators on Palestinian soil?

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          If Abramov had any Yiddish kop, he would leave you alone.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I believe the “Yiddish kop” really applies to white Jewry, they seem to be the ones ruling Palestine, they are 95%+ of Jews in America, 95%+ in UK. Abramov and Peepsqeek are Jews of mixed race … that probably explains … no I am not saying that we the people of color are any less intelligent than the white Jew, but the white Jew certainly is not made of the same fiber as the Arab Jew.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Okay!

      • TecumsehUnfaced

        Being against the flood of atrocities suffered by the people of Palestine from the savage European Zionist assault is not a manifestation of anti-Semitism, but rather a manifestation of decency.

  • Mike Abramov

    This is quite amusing. For years, the BBC under their Middle East reporter Jeremy Bowen, did not have one good word to say about Israel. Supporters of Israel complained incessantly that the BBC was failing in it’s duty to remain unbiased. Then, gradually the BBC began to relent and started to comment on the negatives of the Palestinians and their supporters.

    Now, the BBC is almost pro-Israel. However, to the point.

    BDS is the most self-destructive, negative, useless waste of time putting nothing in place to help things along. All that it has achieved is a series of redundancies for Palestinians. Has anyone asked the average person on Palestine High St whether they would like to be unemployed for the sake of politics?

    • Mary Hughes Thompson

      Of course a zionist would say that. BDS is scary for Israel and zionists, just as the boycott in Apartheid South Africa wasn’t too popular with the colonists. For seventy years Palestinians have waited for justice, while terrorist Israel has bullied and blackmailed and bribed the world into seeing the illegal Jewish state as the victim. Palestinians and we who support their struggle are tired of waiting for justice. BDS is winning, and Israel is losing.

      • Michael Abramov

        Ms. Thompson – In 1948 by UN democratic vote, the State of Israel was formed. For the Arabs in Israel, nothing had changed. In 1948, the neighbouring Arab countries went to war against Israel, and lost. It was the war that created the refugee crisis and not the State of Israel. The Arabs have remained in refugee caps ever since. Do you know why? I will tell you.

        They are waiting for the demolition of Israel and their ‘right-to-return’. They do not have to remain in camps. Like the Jews in 1945, having lost their homes, their families, their money and been mads stateless, they just got on with things. they did not lay down and do nothing.

        As for BDS, tell me what it has achieved?

        • Helen4Yemen

          How Palestine was stolen – from the Truman Online Library Read how American Jews impersonated President Truman and called poor African and Asian nations and told them it was Truman speaking to them on the phone and unless they voted for the Jews’ state that the funds promised to them by the American government would be cut off. The presidents of many of these poor countries believed it was Truman they were speaking to and worried of losing the promised funds switched their vote from ‘no’ to ‘yes’ and that was how this ‘state’ was created. This information is posted at none other than the Truman Online Library.

          These quotes from the above mentioned interview of Edwin M Wright

          In other words, the State Department didn’t even know who was making the decisions. Mr. Truman himself has the most remarkable of all statements in there, a memo that’s quoted, in which he says, Something’s going on and I don’t know what it is. Somebody called up the President of Haiti and he said that it was I. He said, ‘We want you to vote for the Zionist program.’ As a result the President of Haiti changed his vote to satisfy what he thought was me. I don’t know who this fellow was that called him up.”

          In other words, somebody impersonated President Truman and threatened the President of Haiti. There were people who used President Truman’s voice and name and he didn’t know who they were. The State Department never found out who they were, but this is the way decisions are made in Washington. I think I know who that fellow was. It was Robert Nathan, because I met Robert Nathan frequently at the U.N. I had met him out in the Middle East, and he was the one who was running to the telephone booth and calling up the President of Liberia, calling up Costa

          Rica, telling them, “Unless you will vote for our program, we will see to it that the American interhighway system is not built through your country.” These people assumed that Nathan and Co. were acting for America and nobody had consulted them at all. This kind of thing went on at the U.N. and in Washington and if you want the documentary proof of it, it’s in Mr. Truman’s statement.

          Before I read this statement of Mr. Truman’s I’ll have to explain what the situation was. There was tremendous pressure upon the governments of other countries to vote for the partition program, which the Zionists had accepted. I was at the U.N. and was Mr. Henderson’s assistant and was there when he read some of these memos. I was reporting back to the State Department what was happening at the U.N.

          There were a number of Jewish Zionists at the U.N., like Robert Nathan, Bernard Baruch, and various other people, who were calling up the chiefs of other states and saying, “Unless you vote for this partition program, the United States will not build a road in your country; will not help you in aid or will not do something else.” They were pretending they had the authority of the President of the United States to determine policy, when they were just one individual operating on their own. They had no authority, no official position, but they were using the importance of the United States as a threat against these countries.

          Mr. Romulo, who was the Ambassador from the Philippines, had initially stood against this program; did not want the Zionist state. They have a lot of Moslems in the Philippines and they were afraid that this would create trouble.

          Romulo left Washington and flew to the Philippines. When he got there, the Philippine President called him in saying, “You know, I have information from Washington that if we vote the way you have stated, we’re not going to get any American aid. We’re going to change our vote.”

          Our ambassador also reported that the President had said that he had gotten this threat and was changing his vote.

          Upon this we immediately notified Mr. Truman and sent these documents right to him. “This is what is happening. These various Jewish representatives are simply using the authority of the United States, without any responsibility, in order to threaten people to vote for that program.”

          On December the 11th, Mr. Truman wrote this letter to Secretary of State Acheson:

          I read with a lot of interest your memorandum on the 10th in regards to the Philippine situation. [That’s the one I’ve just described.] It seems to me that if our delegation to the United Nations is to be interfered with by members of the United States Senate and by pressure groups in this country, we will be helping the United Nations down the road to failure. The conversation between the President of the Philippines and our Ambassador is most interesting. I have a report from Haiti in which it is stated that our consul in Haiti approached the President of that country and suggested to him that for his own good, he should order the vote of his country changed, claiming that he had instructions from me to make such a statement to the President of Haiti. As you very well know, I refused to make statements to any country on the subject of his vote in the United Nations. It is perfectly apparent that pressure groups will succeed in putting the United Nations out of business if this sort of thing is continued and I am very anxious that it be stopped.

          Harry S. Truman

          That’s an official document. Somebody represented himself as the President of the United States to some foreign countries. This was the kind of threat that the Zionists used to change votes at that last session when finally it was voted by a small majority of two or three.”

          https://www.trumanlibrary*org/oralhist/wright*htm

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          • John Thunderer

            Helen,
            Thank you for your most interesting and informative comment.
            It does raise the question as to why Truman supported the recognition of Israel within the United Nations?
            If
            – as your material suggests he did – Truman was fully aware of the
            antics of the zionists, why did he not instruct his representative at
            the UN to wield the US veto against recognising Israel?
            I can imagine only two scenarios to explain it.
            First, the Cold War had been initiated by Truman and he was desperate to keep the zionists on board.
            He may also have believed that Israel could be a useful US unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East.
            Second, he was seeking re-election in 1948 as President and feared the US zionists’ political influence.
            Additionally, they may have bribed him to recognise Israel and funded his presidential campaign.
            It is easy – perhaps – to accuse Truman of cowardice in the face of zionist aggression.
            More
            cowardly still is my own country – the United Kingdom – for having
            issued the spurious Balfour declaration and for sitting on its hands at
            the UN and taking the coward’s way out by abstaining on recognising
            Israel.

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          • Mike Abramov

            Well Mr Thunderer I am surprised at you. A man of your intellect debating with a self-confessed racist like Helen4Yemen who views the Middle East as a zone for dark skinned brown-eyed people only. This is tantamount to corresponding with a woman who’s views are decidedly right-wing and bordering on Nazi ideology. You being a left-winger should be aware of this. Or, is it that right-wing politics and left-wing politics are one and the same?

            I await your reply

          • Helen4Yemen

            1) I am a Semite and no Ashkenazi Jew is. Got that!
            2) I am Middle Eastern and no Ashkenazi Jew is. Got that?
            3) I am indigenous and no Ashkenazi Jew is. Got that?

          • Mike Abramov

            Boring

          • Helen4Yemen

            DO YOU GET IT THAT ASHKENAZI IN PALESTINE =
            FRENCH IN ALGERIA = BRITISH IN KENYA?

            YES OR NO?

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Yep! Every bit as illegitimate, barbaric and racist!

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Again you are incapable of refuting anything. Why are you here? To make Zionists look stupid?

          • Helen4Yemen

            BLOCK ME YOU WICKED PREDATORY ZIONIST!

        • Helen4Yemen

          DO YOU F-ING GET IT THAT ASHKENAZI IN PALESTINE =
          FRENCH IN ALGERIA = BRITISH IN KENYA?

        • Helen4Yemen

          The Jews of 1945 were at war with other white Europeans like them.
          What have the war between two white Europeans got to do with the Arabs?

          • Mike Abramov

            So?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The war was between one white European, the Christians and another white European, the Ashkenazi. What the have the people of the Middle East go to do with a war between two Europeans? It is like a war between Taiwan and Japan and the people of Taiwan decide to occupy Palestine.

            And how white is the Ashkenazi? He is the whitest of them all.
            How many have heard them boast that they look:

            . swarthy
            . Middle Eastern
            . Italian
            . Mediterranean
            . Olive
            . dark-skinned

            Well, a picture is worth a thousand words, is it not. Here a photo gallery of over 230 pictures of the Ashkenazi. They look as lily-white European as the rest of the Europeans.

            https://disqus*com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/how_white_is_the_ashkenazi_jew_very_white/

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        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Nope, the UN never formed the Zionist thug state. It’s against its charter to do so. The thug state formed itself by importing an army of thugs from Europe and executing a savage war of conquest accompanied by floods of atrocities.

          Over 750,000 people (~80%) driven off their ancestral lands

          Over 500 Arab villages and towns BULLDOZED and buried under pine forests

          Palestinian Villages Hidden Under Israeli Forests
          from Jonathan Cook

          Saffuriya was one of more than 500 Palestinian villages ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948, during the Nakba. Journalist Jonathan Cook explains how Israel quickly acted to raze the villages so the 750,000 refugees could not return and then covered up these war crimes by planting forests over the ruins.

          ->https://vimeo.COM/184497845

          ————–

          When your knowledge of history is so atrocious, how can we give credit to anything you say?

          • Mike Abramov

            So, 800,000 Jews were forced to leave Egypt, Iraq , Syria and Aden mostly with everything stolen from them. This was started as far back as 1941 when the Fahud in Baghdad resulted in the murder of over 100 Jews.

            Believe me, what ever you say against my people, I will come back to yoou and remind you that the Palestinian Arabs are refugees because they choose to be.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            More insanity from a ZioNazi troll!

            Actually, the gradual departure of the Arab Jews from their homes in Arab lands was another machination of the Ben-Gurion by which he planned to fool and terrorize the Arab Jews into Palestine to serve the victorious European Zionist invaders of Palestine as laborers and farmers. It was Ben-Gurion who ordered the Zionist assaults on the Arab Jews.

            Zionist crimes against the Jews
            ->http://www.thepeoplesvoice.ORG/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

            Zionist terror against the Jews
            ->http://www.inminds.CO.UK/jews-of-iraq.html

            False flag of the Lavon affair
            ->http://whatreallyhappened.COM/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

            All planned and ordered by David Ben-Gurion
            ->https://en.wikipedia.ORG/wiki/One_Million_Plan

            Thanks for reminding us that the assault of the alien European Zionist Ashkenazi invaders was not just against the people of Palestine but against all the Arab Jews. Thanks for reminding us of the vast evil of the European Zionists in forcing two Million Arab (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) people from their homes.

          • Mike Abramov

            Sir – you are talking absolute garbage.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            As usual, you are unable to refute the securely documented terrorism of the ZioNazi thug invaders of the Middle East.

          • Helen4Yemen

            How the Arab Jews left: It lists how many Arab Jews were still in their own Arab countries in 1948, 1958, 1968, 1978. The Arab Jews were not expelled but left on their own. What kind of “expulsion” takes 3-decades? On the other hand, the Ashkenazi expelled 900,000 Palestinians in a matter of a few months in 1948.

            Country………1948……..1958………1968…..1978
            Algeria………140,000….130,000……1,500….1,000
            Egypt…………75,000……40,000……1,000……400
            Iraq………….135,000……..6,000……2,500…..350
            Libya………….38,000…….3,750………100…….40
            Morocco…….265,000….200,000….50,000..18,000
            Syria………….30,000……..5,000…..4,000….4,500
            Tunisia………105,000…..80,000….10,000….7,000
            Yemen/Aden…63,000…….4,300……..500…….500
            Total………… 851,000…469,060….69,600..31,790

            The Arab Jews were aware that the Jews of Lithuania, Poland, Russia … were Europeans and the Arabs came for economic reasons.

          • Mike Abramov

            I have watched this video. Jonathan Cook uses too many ‘possibly’ or ‘maybe’ in his delivery which implied that his point of view is theory and not fact.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            How stupid! All those people violated and all those villages bulldozed are not undone by a few ‘possibly’ or ‘maybe’ seized upon by the insane apologists of ZioNazi racist atrocities.

        • Helen4Yemen

          The neighboring Arab countries went to war against foreign invasion by Ashkenazi Jewry from Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Hungary, Germany, France, Lithuania, Latvia, Slovakia, Romania, Bosnia, Serbia, Estonia, Austria, America, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Britain …

    • Helen4Yemen

      Yea, tell the Palestine to be quiet and let the white man colonizing the land get away with murder.

      I am still waiting what it is that makes the white man known as the Ashkenazi that he belongs on Palestinian soil.

      • Mike Abramov

        Sorry – I do not correspond with racists.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Funny! There’s nothing more racist than the Zionist conspiracy to seize Palestine from its genuinely Semite indigenous people.

          Only by the most savage of racism did the barbarian European Zionists invade Palestine.

  • Helen4Yemen

    The Zionist State Has No Right to Exist

    Justin Keating on Israel

    The Dubliner, November 2005

    I have a tree in Israel, and I once had a certificate to prove it. In about 1950 a lady from a Zionist organisation planted it for my support of the Zionist Youth Movement in Ireland. But it is all so long ago that it has probably been cut down by now, and I have lost the certificate. At the time, like many young Europeans with left-wing views, as the full horrors of Nazi genocide became known, I supported the new state. But now I have totally changed my mind.

    I have reached the conclusion that the Zionists have absolutely no right in what they call Israel, that they have built their state not beside but on top of the Palestinian people, and that there can be no peace as long as contemporary Israel retains its present form. I hasten to make clear that none of this gives me any pleasure, but in the great scheme of things my personal wishes do not weigh heavily in the scale pans of history. I wish I did not think what I do, I hope I am wrong. My conclusions are based on the answers to five questions.

    1- Did the Jews of the Old Testament come from what is now Israel? The answer is No.

    2- Are the Jews of the world today simply the descendants of the people of the Diaspora two thousand years ago? The answer is, only in part.

    3- Does the right of return apply to people who occupied some land two thousand years ago for a historically brief period, to the detriment of those who have been there since? Obviously no. Imagine a world where every people claimed that right.

    4- Did the Balfour Declaration give the Zionists the right to establish a state in Israel? The answer is no. At the time the British Government had no right to give.

    5- Did the United Nations Resolution of November 1947 give Zionists the right to establish the present state of Israel? The answer is no, and they have continuously and relentlessly violated that resolution for more than half a century, so that any tatters that now remain are void, by their action.

    I want briefly to look at each point separately. Some of what I say is taken from a book called My People by Abba Eban, who was Israeli Foreign Minister. He says the Hebrew Tribes came out of Mesopotamia. They moved from Ur in southwest Mesopotamia to Haran, in northwest Mesopotamia. It was here that Abraham was told, by the God that the Jews had invented to leave his land and kinsmen for a new country. Obedient to the divine voice, he moved into western Palestine, the land of the Canaanites. The above is loosely but accurately quoted from Eban. It follows that the Jews came from far away, that they claimed the land of Canaan because their God gave it to them, and there were Canaanites there already. Israel’s Declaration of Independence in 1948 states, “The Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people.” This was a self serving and untruthful Zionist myth.

    My second point is that the assumption that the Jews of the world (all of whom claim the right of return) are descendants of the Diaspora takes no account of the Kingdom of the Khazars, about whom Arthur Koestler wrote a book arguing that he and other Ashkanazi Jews were their descendents. Also, it assumes that no Jewish girl ever got pregnant (over 2,000 years) by a non-Jew, and brought the child home to her parents, and it also forgets that the converted wives or husbands who were born non-Jewish can, on conversion, claim the right of return.

    Point three: At the time of the Balfour Declaration, the Ottoman Empire, which was the ruling power in Palestine, was falling apart, but the British Government had no rights in the area. The Declaration was made to a private person, the head of the Rothschild family, and while Balfour was promising the Jews a nation home in Palestine, T.E. Lawrence was promising the same thing to Palestinian Arabs. In law and in equity it has no validity.

    Finally, when the United Nations passed its historic resolution (with Britain abstaining) it was a plan for partition. What was new and crucial was that it recognized Jewish sovereignty. The flight of the ignorant Palestinian peasants was founded on such atrocities as the massacre at Deir Yasin where Zionist terrorists filled the well with slaughtered peasants, and went to adjoining villages saying, “Look what happened over there.” In addition, there were bogus broadcasts purporting to come from Palestinian leaders, advising flight. The Jewish-Arab partnership, pleaded for so eloquently by David Ben Gurion -“based on equality and mutual assistance,” to quote his words – was from the beginning a lie which Zionist fundamentalists did not believe

    Those same fundamentalists, who are in the ascendant now, can only say, “We are here because our God gave it to us.”
    That is too weak for me I’m afraid.

    All of this is a huge tragedy for ordinary Zionist people, who have been led up a blind alley by fanatics. But it is more. Jews have made an immense contribution to civilization, developing as they were between the great empires of Mesopotamia and the Nile, with both of which they had intimate contact, and by which they wanted to avoid being swallowed. They developed a religion and an ethos based on independence, liberty and democracy to which we all owe a debt. That religion is based on the twin concepts of Law and Righteousness, which inspired over the millennia extraordinary contributions to culture and morality. All admirable. In Israel/Palestine, where are they now?

    Zionists have betrayed all of this, and that is a tragedy not just for Jews, but for all of us.

    • John Thunderer

      The UN motion which apparently recognised Israel had a number of clauses; one of which was that all displaced Palestinians had the right to return to their homes.
      The zionists blocked this possibility by destroying all their homes in more than 500 villages and by threatening to shoot anyone trying to return to their homes.
      By breaching the terms of the UN recognition motion, they voided it.
      Consequently, Israel is an illegal regime.

  • Helen4Yemen

    DNA has confirmed that the Ashkenazi have no trace of Middle East ancestry, zero, zilch! Here are 10 samples that look almost identical because the Ashkenazi are a closely knit group that had been breeding among its own members for centuries.

    Name………………………. European……. Middle Eastern
    1) Alex Feinberg…………… 99.8% …………… 0%
    2) Dershowitz DNA………. 99.9% …………….0%
    3) Rabbi Hammerman…,,, 99.9% …………… 0%
    4) Tony Kushner…………… 99.9% …………….0%
    5) Joseph Cohen………….. 99.8% …………… 0%
    6) Bill Maher…………………..99.9% ……………..0%
    7) Neil Gaiman……………… 99.9% …………… .0%
    8) Jill Sobule………….. …….99.9% ……………..0%
    9) Alisa R Doctoroff…….. ..98.0% …………….. 0%
    10) A.J. Jacobs………………99.9% ……………. 0%

    Source:

    https://disqus*com/home/channel/semite/discussion/channel-semite/stunning_ashkenazi_dna/

  • Helen4Yemen

    5 Reasons Why I’m A Christian Who Stopped Supporting Israel
    November 5, 2015 by Benjamin L. Corey
    Gaza Bombing
    Growing up conservative Evangelical, we loved Israel as much as we loved America– probably even more.
    And why not, right?
    We truly believed that among the world’s nations, God actually has a favorite– and that he will curse anyone who doesn’t blindly support his team.
    When you sincerely believe that, there’s little room left for actually thinking, because anything you see is filtered and given meaning by the narrative we were given at church. This false narrative we’re told about Israel makes it almost impossible to see the situation fairly or clearly, because we become victims of confirmation bias– we’re only willing to consider evidence that verifies the narrative we were taught.
    As an adult at seminary studying theology and international culture, I finally broke free from the confirmation bias that had caused me to support Israel and ignore Palestinian suffering. As such, I now see the Israel and Palestinian conflict in a completely different light– one where my Christian faith itself dictates that I cannot stand with Israel and still be faithful to Jesus.
    Here are 5 reasons why I stopped supporting Israel:
    __ 5. I realized that loving Jewish people was completely different from supporting the modern, secular state of Israel.
    Many quickly confuse loving Jewish people with supporting Israel– but a religion/people group and a secular nation state are not the same thing. For example, one can be opposed to US policy without being “anti-American.” In the same way, one can look at Israel and say, “Wow, this is absolutely wrong” without being anti-semitic (though that’s the first thing you’ll be accused of).
    I love the Jewish people because as a Jesus follower, I love all people. But I do not– I cannot– support Israel as a nation, precisely because I love all people.
    __ 4. I realized Israel was a violent military occupation, much like the one Jesus lived under.
    I used to think the Israel was a peaceful nation who just wanted to mind their own business but couldn’t because those darned Muslims wouldn’t leave them alone, but that’s not the case at all. Israel is a violent military occupation, with no end in sight.
    Where Palestinians once lived in peace and security, they now live under military rule by a foreign military that controls nearly all aspects of their daily lives. Their access to water is tightly restricted, their movement is restricted, and they are denied security in their homes by military forces who often stage middle-of-the-night raids under the accusation of “rock throwing.”
    Furthermore, children are often Israeli targets and are imprisoned and tortured by Israeli solders. There have even been cases of Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian children for sport. How a Christian can support this is literally unfathomable to me.
    __ 3. I realized Palestinians weren’t terrorists, but a frustrated people living under apartheid.
    Imagine it this way: what if you woke up one morning and world leaders had given the Southern United States to Russia, to be a country for displaced Russians? The Russians arrive, kick you off the land that’s been in your family for generations, confiscate your homes and possessions, burn your farms, and put everyone into refugee camps or segregated into ghettos, which are then policed by the Russian military.
    Would it not be understandable that once in a while you’d attack the Russian soldiers? In fact, if that were in America, most conservatives would call it self defense.
    While I am against all violence, it’s important to understand why violence happens, and in this case it is quite understandable that such an oppressed people would resort to violence against the oppressors. However, this violence is not about Muslims hating Jews– it’s about people being tired of an occupying army taking their homes, their land, and harming their children. Truth be told, as wrong as I believe it is, I’d be tempted to throw a few rocks too.
    __ 2. I realized Israel continues to steal land and violate international law.
    I once thought that Israel just wanted to peacefully exist, but the truth is they are on a violent conquest to take all the land they can get– even though it is a total violation of international law.
    Day by day new Israeli settlements crop up on land that still belongs to Palestinians. Quite often the Israelis will burn down Palestinian crops before harvest (this is in the news often), and try to take Palestinian land by terroristic force. Illegal settlers have firebombed Palestinian homes, most recently burning a baby and mother to death. Settlers recently even attacked a Rabbi who had previous work with Christian Peacemakers, showing they’re willing to not just attack Palestinians, but even their own peacemakers.
    This reminds me of someone who once said, “Oh Jerusalem! You who kill the prophets and stone those God sends to you.” (That was Jesus, BTW.)
    Until Israel stops violently and unapologetically violating international law by their conquest for more land, they could never have my support.
    __ 1. I realized Christians were being persecuted and oppressed, and I choose to stand with them.
    One of the ways Evangelicalism continues selling support for Israel is by painting this as a Muslim vs Jew situation– but that’s not reality. This is a situation of a violent, secular nation state, who is oppressing a group of people that include Christians.
    Palestinians include both Muslims and Christians, and Christians are being just as persecuted as the rest of Palestinians. Israel has targeted Christian schools while Christians in the West remained silent. Christian churches and institutions have a long history of being burned and vandalized by the Israelis. Furthermore, Christians have lamented that the Israelis spit on them as they walk down the street, with many Christians ultimately accepting that being spat on in Israel is part of daily life. (Can you imagine if it were the Muslims doing that? Conservative leaders would be calling for war.)
    And this is perhaps the top reason why I no longer support Israel: to do so would be a complete betrayal of my Christian brothers and sisters who suffer under anti-Christian persecution in Israel.

    So, your pastor growing up taught you to support Israel.
    I get it. Mine did too. As a result, I blindly supported Israel for many years– even to the point of voting for candidates I thought would be the most pro-Israel.
    But now that I have set aside my bias, and been willing to consider the facts as they are, I realize I can’t support Israel and still be faithful to Jesus.
    http://www*patheos*com/blogs/formerlyfundie/5-reasons-why-im-a-christian-who-stopped-supporting-israel/

  • Helen4Yemen

    APPENDIX 3 “Soon the Singing Will Turn Into A Death Moan”

    Source: Israel’s Sacred Terrorism by Livia Rokach

    The following is excerpted from Meir Har-Tzion’s Diary, published by Levin-Epstein, Ltd., Tel Aviv, 1969. It describes an Israeli raid in Gaza during the early 1950s.

    The wide, dry riverbed glitters in the moonlight. We advance, carefully, along the mountain slope. Several houses can be seen. Bushes and shrubbery sway in the breeze, casting their shadows on the ground. In the distance we can see three lights and hear the sounds of Arab music coming out of the homes immersed in darkness. We split up into three groups of four men each. Two groups make their way to the immense refugee camp to the south of our position. The other group marches towards the lonely house in the flat area north of Wadi Gaza. We march forward, trampling over green fields, wading through water canals as the moon bathes us in its scintillating light. Soon, however, the silence will be shattered by bullets, explosions, and the screams of those who are now sleeping peacefully. We advance quickly and enter one of the houses “Mann Haatha?” (Arabic for “Who’s there?”)

    We leap towards the voices. Fearing and trembling, two Arabs are standing up against the wall of the building. They try to escape. I open fire. An ear piercing scream fills the air. One man falls to the ground, while his friend continues to run. Now we must act we have no time to lose. We make our way from house to house as the Arabs scramble about in confusion. Machine guns rattle, their noise mixed with a terrible howling. We reach the main thoroughfare of the camp. The mob of fleeing Arabs grows larger. The other group attacks from the opposite direction. The thunder of hand grenades echoes in the distance. We receive an order to retreat. The attack has come to an end.

    On the following morning, the headlines will read: “The refugee camp of Al-Burj near Gaza was attacked. The camp has been serving as a base for infiltrators into Israeli territory. ‘Twenty people were killed and another twenty were wounded.”

  • Helen4Yemen

    SHOCKING! HORROR!

    APPENDIX 3 “Soon the Singing Will Turn Into A Death Moan”

    Source: Israel’s Sacred Terrorism by Livia Rokach

    The following is excerpted from Meir Har-Tzion’s Diary, published by Levin-Epstein, Ltd., Tel Aviv, 1969. It describes an Israeli raid in Gaza during the early 1950s.

    The wide, dry riverbed glitters in the moonlight. We advance, carefully, along the mountain slope. Several houses can be seen. Bushes and shrubbery sway in the breeze, casting their shadows on the ground. In the distance we can see three lights and hear the sounds of Arab music coming out of the homes immersed in darkness. We split up into three groups of four men each. Two groups make their way to the immense refugee camp to the south of our position. The other group marches towards the lonely house in the flat area north of Wadi Gaza. We march forward, trampling over green fields, wading through water canals as the moon bathes us in its scintillating light. Soon, however, the silence will be shattered by bullets, explosions, and the screams of those who are now sleeping peacefully. We advance quickly and enter one of the houses “Mann Haatha?” (Arabic for “Who’s there?”)

    We leap towards the voices. Fearing and trembling, two Arabs are standing up against the wall of the building. They try to escape. I open fire. An ear piercing scream fills the air. One man falls to the ground, while his friend continues to run. Now we must act we have no time to lose. We make our way from house to house as the Arabs scramble about in confusion. Machine guns rattle, their noise mixed with a terrible howling. We reach the main thoroughfare of the camp. The mob of fleeing Arabs grows larger. The other group attacks from the opposite direction. The thunder of hand grenades echoes in the distance. We receive an order to retreat. The attack has come to an end.

    On the following morning, the headlines will read: “The refugee camp of Al-Burj near Gaza was attacked. The camp has been serving as a base for infiltrators into Israeli territory. ‘Twenty people were killed and another twenty were wounded.”

    .. . . A telephone line blocks our way. We cut it and continue. A narrow path leads along the slope of a hill. The column marches forward in silence. Stop! A few rocks roll down the hill. I catch sight of a man surveying the silence. Gibly crawls over to me, “Har, for God’s sake, a knife!!” His clenched teeth glitter in the dark and his whole body is tight, his mind alert, “For God’s sake,” . . . I put my tommy down and unsheath my machete. We crawl towards the lone figure as he begins to sing a trilled Arab tune. Soon the singing will turn into a death moan. I am shaking, every muscle in my body is tense. This is my first experience with this type of weapon. Will I be able to do it?

    We draw closer. There he stands, only a few meters in front of us. We leap. Gibly grabs him and I plunge the knife deep into his back. The blood pours over his striped cotton shirt. With not a second to lose, I react instinctively and stab him again. The body groans, struggles and then becomes quiet and still.

    From an interview with Meir Har-Tzion, Ha’aretz weekly supplement, 9 November 1965:

    “Pangs of conscience? No. Why should I have any?” The man’s blue eyes open wide in amazement. “It’s easy to kill a man with a rifle. You press the trigger and that’s that. But a knife, why, that’s something else-that’s a real fight. Even if you are successful, you come close to death. The enemy’s blade is as close as the air. It’s a fantastic feeling. You realize you’re a man.”

  • Helen4Yemen

    RUSSIA FAVOR ZION MOVEMENT

    (Arab land to be used to remove European Jewry)
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    Russia gives official encouragement to the Jewish project.
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    Miniter De Pleve’s letter to the congress in session at Basel, Switzerland
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    Bazsel, Switerland

    Aug 25, 1903

    At today’s session of the Zionist Congress, Dr. Herzl, the President, submitted to the delegates a letter which he had received from the Russian Minister of the Interior, de Plehve, apparently pledging the support of the Russian government to the Zionisys in their movemeny to establish an independent state in Palestine. The Minister, on the letter referred to, said his government was quite favorable to the original program of Zionism, which can rely on its moral and material support when its practical measures tend to decrease the Jewish population of Russia. Such support might taker the form of supporting ther Zionist demands on the Ottoman Government and helping the Jewish emigration societies by coperating with the Jews who are contributing to the necessities of these societies.

    The Russian Government, the Miniter adds, has been obliged to act toward the Jewish question as the interests of the State require, but it has never deviated from the great principles of morality and humanity. It had recently enlarged the rights of residence in the Jewish region, and he hoped nothing would prevent the development of such measures tending to improve the conditions of the existene of the Russian Jews, especially if emigration decreased their number.

    Ther discussion by the congress of Great Britain’s offer of an Afrian settlement to Jewish immigrants promises to be prolonged. The Russian delegates opposed the project, while the German, English, and Italian delegates urge the appointment of a committee of investigation. Judge Sulzberger of Philadelphia spoke today in favor of the (Ugandan) scheme. It is believed that Dr. Herzl is in favor of the British proposition, and his views are likely to influence the final decision.
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    The Jewish Daily News of this city has received the following dispatch from Jacob De Haas, Secretary of the American Federation of Zionists, who is attending the Zionist Congress now in session at Basel, Switzerland.

    During a discussion regarding Dr. Herzl’s statement that the Russian Government would hereafter lighten the burden of the Jews and favor Zionism, and would allow it to be propagated in Russia Prof. Richard Gottheil, President of the American Federagtion of Zionists, questioned Dr. Herzl in regard to his authority for making such a statement, and asked for some documentary proof of the accuray of his informatin. The interpellation of Prof. Gotteheil was seconed today by Cyprus Sulzberger, Treasurer of the United Heberw Charities of New York City, who insisted on the importance of the interviews which Dr. Herzl had recently at St. Petersburg with a number of prominent Russian officials and asked whether the assurances which he had received were verbal or written. Dr. Herzl in reply, presented the following communication from Minister Plehve to the Zionist Congress:
    You have expressed the desire to retain proof of your interview with me. I agree to this willingly, in order to avoid all which might arouse exaggerated hopes or doubts and anxiety. I have had the occasion to make known to youthe point of veiw from which the Russian Government at the present moment regards Zionism. This point of view could very easily inspire it with the necessity of exchaning its policy of tolerance for measures dictated by its safeguarding of national interests. So long as Zionism consisted in the desire to create an independent State in Palestine and promised to organze the emigration in Russia of a certain number of its Jewish subjects, the Russian Government could very well be favorable to it. But from the moment that this principal objet of Zionism is abandoned in ordr to be replaced by a simple propaganda of the national concentration of the Jews in Russia, it is natural that the Government cannot in any case tolerate the new departure of Zionism. It woud not have any other result than to create groups of individuals, perfect strangers to and even hostile to the patriotic sentiments whih constitute the strength of each state.

    This is why faith could not be placed in Zionism but on the condition that it return to its old program of actio. It could in that case count upon moral and material support for certain of its practical measures , which would serve to diminish the Jewish in Russia. This support might consist in protecting the mandatories of the Zionists to the Ottoman Government of the and in facilitating the work of the4 emigration societies, and even in assisting these societies evidently outside the resoures of the State by means of contributions levies on the Jews.

    I think it necessary to add that the Russian Government is obliged to conform its manner of acting toward the Jewish Question to the interests of the State, but it has nevertheless never deviated from its great moral principles and the interests of humanity. Quite recently, besides, it has enlarged the rights of residence in the confines of the localities set apart for the Jewish population, and nothing prevents the hope that the development of these measures will serve to ameliorate the conditions of existene of the Russian Jews , espeically if emigration deminishes their number

    Mr. Sulzberger prefaced his remarks to the Congress, by referring to President Roosevelt’s splendid actin in voicing the respectiful demands of the Jewish peo0ple of the United States.

    Prof. Max Nordau yesterday delivered a magnificient address and received a great ovation. He advocated the acceptance of the of the British Government to provide land for the establishment of a Jewish colony in East Africa and it is believed the Exdecutive Committee will accept the ofer.

    The following dispatch was received last evening by Jacob Saphirstein from Dr. Henry Bluestone of 224 Henry Street, who is a United Zionist delegate to the congress at Basel.

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    The United Zionists have been victorious after a hard fight and the Federationists are pleading for peace. Cyprus Sulzberger, Francies monefiore, and Col. Goldsmith of New York are among the delegates. Rusia has promised to support the movement. The British Government has offered autonomy to the Jews in the colonies of East Africa. A commission has been appointed to attend to the matter.
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    New York Times
    Published Aug 26, 1903

    • John Thunderer

      It was US zionists who held out against the US entering the war on the side of the Allied powers led by Britain and France as they – the zionists – preferred to see a German victory in World War One, as they wanted to see Imperial Russia defeated in order – understandably – to see their Russian counterparts released from a steady programme of Russian pogroms.
      It was only after the fall of the Romanov dynasty that they were prepared to countenance supporting the Allies against the Central Powers, in which the Balfour Declaration had a decisive role in gaining their shifting loyalty.
      The Balfour Declaration also represented an end to French pretensions to control Palestine.
      Imperial Germany supported the idea of a Jewish homeland but because they knew their Ottoman Empire ally would – at best – only countenance such an idea after the conflict had ended, they were unable to issue any similar statement.