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Recasting the Nakba: Palestinian struggle between victimhood and resistance

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Palestinian woman holds and protests the right to her home from 1948, during the 68th anniversary of the 'Nakba' in Ramallah, West Bank

In mainstream Israeli politics, history books, literature and collective imagination, the Palestinian Nakba never happened. If the pain and suffering of a nation is acknowledged, then the people themselves would, naturally, have to be acknowledged as well. This, Israel could not do.

In fact, the infamous declaration made by former Israeli Prime Minister, Golda Meir — that Palestinians “didn’t exist” and that “there is no such a thing as a Palestinian people” — was far more dangerous than the racist comment that many understood it to be, justifiably so. The statement was made two years after the Naksa, which saw the Arabs defeated in 1967 and Israel’s military domination of all of historic Palestine. The more land that Israel seized illegally by military means, and the more that Palestinians were ethnically-cleansed from their ancestral homeland, the more that Israeli leaders felt the pressing need to erase Palestinians from the annals of history as a people with an identity, a culture and an entitlement to nationhood.

If Palestinians actually “existed” in Israel’s imagination, there can never be any moral justification for its creation; there will never be any Israeli narrative that could be powerful enough to rejoice at the birth of the Israeli “miracle” that “made the desert bloom”. That blood-stained birth callously required the destruction of an entire nation; people with a unique history, language, culture and collective memory. It was thus absolutely necessary for the Palestinians to be wiped out to quell any possible sense of Israeli guilt, shame and legal and moral responsibility for what has befallen millions of dispossessed people.

Read: Countering the Palestinian Nakba

In the absence of a problem, there is no obligation to fix it or even relevance in doing so. Thus, the denial of the Palestinian people and homeland was the only intellectual formulation that would allow Israel to sustain and promote its national myths. Not surprisingly, the Israeli logic was convincing enough for those, driven by political necessity, religious zeal or simply self-delusion, who felt the need also to celebrate the Israeli “miracle”. Their new mantra, as repeated by one of America’s most opportunistic and, indeed, ignorant politicians, Newt Gingrich, a few years ago, was simple: “Palestinians are an invented people.”

Palestinians fleeing their homes during the 1948 Nakba - 'the great catastrophe'

File photo of Palestinians fleeing their homes during the 1948 Nakba – ‘the great catastrophe’

Despite a fledgling movement in Israel that attempts to challenge the Israeli narrative, in Israeli literature the Palestinian is a “mute shadow”, as described by Elias Khoury. The shadow is a reflection of something real, but intangible; it is mute, so that it can be talked to but can never talk back. The “shadow” Palestinian both exists and does not exist.

Nearly seventy years after Palestinians were exiled from their homes when Israel was created in their land, and although their numbers have grown to millions, they remain a mute shadow: random beings behind a wall; multitudes gathered passively with pale faces at military checkpoints; mere numbers and not real beings caged in Israeli jails.

While the pseudo-intellectual equivalent of Gingrich and the political clones of Golda Meir still dominate most platforms concerned with Palestine, and continue to vent hatred and historical distortions, they are making little headway. The Palestinians’ fight for their rights throughout the years has resurrected them constantly as a nation, despite every Israeli attempt to deface their national narrative. As in Rene Descartes’ dialectics that delivered the realisation, “I think, therefore I am,” Palestinian existence is not merely hinged on mere thought, but also action, namely resistance. Resistance here is not a casual reference to combat in some battlefield, but the resistance against the demise of a nation, one with an elaborate, rooted culture that has maintained its identity despite repeated wars, invasions, colonial adventures and military occupation. While the Palestinian culture is linked intrinsically to Islam, Christianity and the wider Arab cultural space, these connections supplement, not supplant, the inimitable Palestinian experience.

Nakba journey - Palestinians fleeing during the Nakba in 1948
More than 1 million Palestinians were displaced in 1948
Relive the journey of Nakba refugees

The good news is that Israel has, thus far, failed. Not only did Israel fail to erase or even subvert Palestinian identity, though, it is now also attempting to reclaim the Palestinian narrative altogether. Terms such as the “Jewish Nakba” are becoming omnipresent, in reference to the alleged ethnic cleansing of Arab Jews from their countries during the war of 1948.

While the attempt to rewrite history is disingenuous at best, it signals the growing signs of defeat for the Israeli discourse. The term “Nakba” has proven to be too powerful a reference to the origins of Israel, established with genocidal intent and complete disregard for another nation.

Nevertheless, the Nakba must be in a constant process of re-evaluation and, if needed, redefinition. The Nakba is not merely a question of history, but an ongoing reality that has affected several generations of Palestinians. It is not a celebration of victimhood, but the impetus for an ongoing resistance. It is not an “event” assigned a specific political context and analysis, but is now a state of mind; the Palestinian people’s strongest rapport between them and their past, present and future.

No, Palestinians should not be defined perpetually by the Nakba. Once justice and freedom are achieved, the Nakba must be reassigned a different meaning, a suitable role in the collective memory of the Palestinian Arab nation. “After the struggle is over, there is not only the demise of colonialism, but also the demise of the colonised,” wrote Frantz Fanon. For now, however, the Nakba must live, not only as recognition of the brutality of colonialism, but also of the pride, dignity and resistance of the colonised.

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  • Michael Abramov

    Golda Meir was right. There was no such people as the Palestinians until 1967 when Yasar Arafat, an Egyptian, cleverly suggested that a national identity was a far better argument than a racist identity for winning the support of the left-wing in a right-wing cause.

    • Helen4Yemen

      What land did Balfour gift to the lily-white man known as the Ashkenazi?
      _______________-

      Balfour 1917: His Majesty’s Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. The Balfour Declaration to Baron Rothchild, on the 2nd of November, 1917

    • Helen4Yemen

      The land is called PALESTINE – NOT Israel

      Chaim Weizmann:

      1) In its initial stage Zionism was conceived by its pioneers as a movement wholly depending on mechanical factors: there is a country which happens to be called Palestine, a country without a people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country? The owners of the country [the Ottoman Turks?] must, therefore, be persuaded and convinced that this marriage is advantageous, not only for the [Jewish] people and for the country, but also for themselves. (1914)
      2) … should Palestine fall within the British sphere of influence, and should Britain encourage a Jewish settlement there, as a British dependency, we could have in 20 to 30 years a million Jews out there – perhaps more; they would … form a very effective guard for the Suez Canal. (1914)
      3) By a Jewish National Home I mean the creation of such conditions that as the country is developed we can pour in a considerable number of immigrants, and finally establish such a society in Palestine that Palestine shall be as Jewish as England is English or America American. (1919)
      4) Palestine alone could absorb and provide for the homeless and the stateless Jews uprooted by the war. It is canalized all the sympathy of the world for the martyrdom of the Jews that the Zionists reject all schemes to resettle these victims elsewhere– in Germany, or Poland, or in sparsely populated regions such as Madagascar. (1942)

      • Jack

        “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. IT IS JUST AN ARAB TACTIC FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!”
        PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein

        “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
        Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
        against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
        today there is no difference between Jordanians,
        Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
        tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
        a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
        that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
        people’ to oppose Zionism.
        “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
        with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
        While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
        Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
        reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
        a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” .!!!!!!

      • Mike Abramov

        Palestine – a name given by the pagan Romans and Latin in origin. Not very Arabic, Agreed.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Let’s say the name is not “Palestine”, how is the Ashkenazi – totally European – connected to that land? Is it his grandmother’s land?

          • Mike Abramov

            I refer the reader to the answers I have given about 17,000 times before. Helen4Yemen is unable to grasp the truth.

          • peepsqueek

            Well, at least she is selective in the truth, but omits a lot of vital history or will not accept it.

          • Michael Abramov

            Correct. She would have made a wonderful Communist

    • Helen4Yemen

      The land is called PALESTINE – NOT Israel

      David Ben-Gurion “The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill-from the Nile to the Euphrates.”

    • Helen4Yemen

      The land is called PALESTINE – NOT Israel

      Gandhi:

      1) And now a word to the Jews in Palestine. I have no doubt that they are going about it in the wrong way. The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs. They should seek to convert the Arab heart. The same God rules the Arab heart who rules the Jewish heart. They can offer satyagraha in front of the Arabs and offer themselves to be shot or thrown into the Dead Sea without raising a little finger against them. They will find the world opinion in their favour in their religious aspiration. There are hundreds of ways of reasoning with the Arabs, if they will only discard the help of the British bayonet. As it is, they are co-shares with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them.
      2) The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood? Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French. If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled? Or do they want a double home where they can remain at will? This cry for the national home affords a colourable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews.
      3) But, in my opinion, they (European Jews) have erred grievously in seeking to impose themselves on Palestine with the aid of America and Britain and now with the aid of naked terrorism. … Why should they depend upon American money or British arms for forcing themselves on an unwelcome land? Why should they resort to terrorism to make good their forcible landing in Palestine? July 14, 1946
      4) All I contend is that they cannot possess Palestine through a trick or a moral breach. Palestine was not a stake in the War. The British Government could not dare have asked a single Muslim soldier to wrest control of Palestine from fellow-Muslims and give it to the Jews … By no canon of ethics or war, therefore, can Palestine be given to the Jews as a result of the War. Either Zionists must revise their ideal about Palestine, or, if Judaism permits the arbitrariment of war, engage in a holy war with the Muslims of the world with the Christians throwing in their influence on their side. March 23, 1921
      5) Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French in precisely the same sense that Christians born in France are French. (Mahatma Gandhi, 26 November 1938)

      • Jack

        “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. IT IS JUST AN ARAB TACTIC FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!”
        PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein

        “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
        Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
        against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
        today there is no difference between Jordanians,
        Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
        tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
        a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
        that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
        people’ to oppose Zionism.
        “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
        with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
        While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
        Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
        reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
        a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” .!!!!

      • Mike Abramov

        So, are you accusing Gandhi of being a racist?

        • Helen4Yemen

          A racist? Because he did not say the Ashkenazi who is 100% of European ancestry belongs on stolen land? Where is the real ancestry of the Ashkenazi? Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Hungary, Germany, Lithuania, Latvia, Slovakia, Romania, Bosnia, Serbia, Estonia,… ? Yes or no?

          • Mike Abramov

            May I remind the reader that I have stated many times before in my dialogue with this lady that:

            1. Being a Zionist is spiritual and not based on where you are born.
            2. The ancestry argument is irrelevant. Jews have been scattered over the whole of Europe since 490 AD
            3. Since when did Heln4Yemen have the right to say that certain countries in this world only belongs to certain races. I thought that kind of statement was incitement to racial hatred, which is a crime in England.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Genesis 15:18 At that time the Lord made an agreement with Abram and told him: I will give your descendants the land east of the Shihor River on the border of Egypt as far as the Euphrates River.
            ——————–
            Are the Bloomberg’s and Goldberg’s of Europe descended from Abraham of UR-IRAQ? Yes or no?

          • Mike Abramov

            Well, the Almighty did not give this land to Ishmail. He did give the patriarch of the Arabs, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Arabia (aka Saudi Arabia)….and so on. Was that not enough?

          • Helen4Yemen

            “Being a Zionist is spiritual and not based on where you are born.”

            Meaning every Shlomo and his auntie and grandma from Poland and Lithuania feel entitled to Arab land? Is what Zionism means?

          • Mike Abramov

            Correct.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Therefore, Zionism forces the white Jew to go after lands inhabited by people of color: Argentina, Uganda, Kenya, Cyprus, Madagascar, …? I wonder why none of the lands inhabited by white folks were ever consider these white Jews?

          • Helen4Yemen

            “The ancestry argument is irrelevant. Jews have been scattered over the whole of Europe since 490 AD”

            Are you then saying that the Israelite morphed into a white European and also lost all his ME DNA in transit since DNA has confirmed that he is totally European at 99.9% and 0% Middle Eastern?

          • Mike Abramov

            No. you are.

          • Helen4Yemen

            I did not say certain countries belong to certain races. I said the white man known as the Ashkenazi is a colonial settler like the French in Algeria and the British in Kenya … and this white man arrived to colonize Arab land when his European brothers the French and the English had called it quits and given up on colonizing Arab land. But this white man used a trick to get in, he said he was “returning”.

      • peepsqueek

        “The Jews born in France are French” Then, just for balance, how come Arabs born in Arab Countries be Arab refugees, generation after generation, after generation?

        • Helen4Yemen

          The Ashkenazi wants the Palestinian refugees that he expelled when he inserted his European a s s on Arab land to disappears into the neighboring Arab countries, right.
          ________
          Chaim Weizmann ( (1947) : “We ask today: ‘What are the Poles? What are the French? What are the Swiss?’ When that is asked, everyone points to a country, to certain institution, to parliamentary institution, and the man in the street will know exactly what it is. He has a passport. If you ask what is a Jew is — well, he is a man who has to offer a long explanation for his existence, and any person who has to offer an explanation as to what he is, is always suspect— and from suspicion there is only one step to hatred or contempt.”
          _________________

          Does the American Jew feel like he belongs to America or does he still feel he is in the ‘diaspora’?

          • peepsqueek

            How do I get to speak for all the Jews? Think before you post! America is an idea, a concept, it is not a race or ethnic group. It is an idea worth fighting for, and all male members of my family have served in the US military. And many times we have be very wrong in our decisions. I took an Oath to uphold and protect our Constitution, I did not take an Oath to a King or Queen or religion.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Haha! If there were a war between US and the Zionist entity, whose side are you on?

          • peepsqueek

            I am a mix of three different races, an atheist, and an American. If you are going to give me a hypothetical, then give me a hypothetical for the Israeli government to be stupid enough to engage in a war with the United States. Make it a good one Helen!

          • peepsqueek

            Whose side are you on in the other 28 conflicts and border wars in the world today involving Muslim leaders and Muslim regimes? Give just one or two examples?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Iraq war and ‘Greater Israel

            Here is from Ari Shavit – Haaretz – March 4, 2003

            “In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them JEWISH, almost all of them intellectuals people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history
            a partial list:

            Richard Perle,
            Paul Wolfowitz,
            Douglas Feith,
            William Kristol,
            Eliot Abrams,
            Charles Krauthammer “

          • peepsqueek

            Decades before the state of Israel, On October 13, 1932, Iraq became a sovereign state and it was admitted to the League of Nations. Iraq still was messed up by a complex web of social, economic, ethnic, religious, and ideological conflicts, all of which retarded the process of state formation. The declaration of statehood triggered an intense competition for power in the new entity. Sunnis and Shias, cities and tribes, sheiks and tribesmen, Assyrians and Kurds, pan-Arabists and Iraqi nationalists–all fought for places in the emerging state structure. The system was overwhelmed by these conflicting sectarian demands. What has changed since ancient times?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Is the Ashkenazi European or African or Middle Eastern? Look at the pictures here of the Ashkenazi and tell me:

            https://disqus*com/home/discussion/channel-semite/how_white_is_the_ashkenazi_jew_very_white/

            Replace * with dot

            Note: I have never met or seen the picture of any Ashkenazi that even remotely resembles the people of the ME since he claims ancestry to that land.

          • peepsqueek

            I would like to send you pictures of all my grandkids, but you would not know what f they are, unless you judge people by the color of their skin.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are your grandchildren Ashkenazi?

          • peepsqueek

            It does not matter what they are, because you have made up your mind regardless of any new information that would allow an objective person to rethink their position.

          • peepsqueek

            You bring up Iraq, you bring up Indonesia, etc, and when I respond to your specifics, I get another dodge.

          • Jack

            I guess you already know, supports any Shia Jihadist regime, she supports the Yemenite Houthi Shia Muslims, that slaughter today thousands of innocent civilians in Yemen, she supports the Hezbollah, mass killer Assad, the Hamas terrorists and of course Iran.

          • peepsqueek

            No wonder I find her so attractive! In my perfect world we would all love each other, but as you know, someone made us in His image.

    • Helen4Yemen

      The land is called PALESTINE – NOT Israel

      JABOTINSKY:

      1) Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence. – Vladimir Jabotinsky
      2) colonization carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab. colonization can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed.
      3) In the second place, this does not mean that there cannot be any agreement with the Palestine Arabs. What is impossible is a voluntary agreement. As long as the Arabs feel that there is the least hope of getting rid of us, they will refuse to give up this hope in return for either kind words or for bread and butter, because they are not a rabble, but a living people. And when a living people yields in matters of such a vital character it is only when there is no longer any hope of getting rid of us, because they can make no breach in the iron wall.
      4) But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonized. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of Palestine into the Land of Israel.
      5) There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. … it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting Palestine from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
      6) There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of Palestine into the Land of Israel.
      7) This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies
      8) We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached.
      9) We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico , and their Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism. In return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.

      • Jack

        “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. IT IS JUST AN ARAB TACTIC FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!”
        PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein

        “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
        Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
        against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
        today there is no difference between Jordanians,
        Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
        tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
        a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
        that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
        people’ to oppose Zionism.
        “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
        with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
        While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
        Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
        reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
        a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” .!!!

      • Mike Abramov

        Incorrect. It is Judea and Sumeria. you know that.

        • Helen4Yemen

          You mean Palestine named after the land grabbing bandits of UR-IRAQ – Abraham-Isaac-Jacob?

          • peepsqueek

            Muhammed said he was a descendant of Abraham, father of the Jewish people, and Abraham was from the city of Ur according to Genesis 11:31.

          • Jack

            Helen4Yemen tried for a while to play around with the Khazar issue….. but it blew up in her face.
            Now she try’s with the Abraham UR issue, But Muhammad as a descendant of Abraham, father of the Jewish people blows this issue in her face again.
            Well let’s see were this troll get’s now.
            I guess to the Neanderthal era…… that the Jew came from Africa.
            There are no borders to her Jew Hate Agenda…… guess she will covert at the end.

          • peepsqueek

            We know who the Neanderthal Jews were, because frozen Neanderthals were discovered in the Neander Valley of Germany still wearing a yarmulka. Helen will say that that is proof that they were European, even though Neanderthals spanned Central Asia as well.

    • Helen4Yemen

      The land is called PALESTINE – NOT Israel

      Mark Twain: “Speaking of concentration, Dr. Herzl has a clear insight into the value of that. Have you heard of his plan? He wishes to gather the Jews of the world together in Palestine, with a government of their own – under the suzerainty of the Sultan, I suppose. At the Convention of Berne, last year, there were delegates from everywhere, and the proposal was received with decided favor. I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world were going to be made in a free country (bar Scotland), I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let the race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride any more.”

      (Mark Twain: Concerning The Jews, Harper’s Magazine, March, 1898)

      • Jack

        “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. IT IS JUST AN ARAB TACTIC FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!”
        PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein

        “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
        Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
        against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
        today there is no difference between Jordanians,
        Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
        tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
        a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
        that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
        people’ to oppose Zionism.
        “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
        with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
        While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
        Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
        reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
        a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” .!!

      • Mike Abramov

        Mark Twain a European American living in a land taken from the native Americans who were systematically destroyed and settled in reservations.

        You really do come up with some crap.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Are you now call Mark Twain “crap”?

      • Jack

        “….. A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent mournful expanse…. a desolation…. we never saw a human being on the whole route…. hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”

        The Innocents Abroad Mark Twain

    • Helen4Yemen

      The land is called PALESTINE – NOT Israel

      1) Exodus 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.
      2) Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
      3) Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
      4) Joel 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.

      (King James version)

      • Jack

        “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. IT IS JUST AN ARAB TACTIC FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!”
        PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein

        “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
        Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
        against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
        today there is no difference between Jordanians,
        Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
        tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
        a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
        that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
        people’ to oppose Zionism.
        “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
        with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
        While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
        Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
        reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
        a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” .!

      • Mike Abramov

        Idiot. The name Israel comes from Genesis when Jacob fought the angel and won. God then blessed Jacob with the new name of Israel. You will never win an argument against me.

        • Helen4Yemen

          The name “Israel” was a name given to Jacob of UR-IRAQ. Yes or no?

          • peepsqueek

            Muhammed said he was a descendant of Abraham, father of the Jewish people, and Abraham was from the city of Ur according to Genesis 11:31, and Muhammed claimed to descend from Ishmael who lived 2,700 years before him, yet without any historical written document.

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Ashkenazi has 2 strikes against him regarding claiming Palestine as his grandmother’s land.

            a) DNA is such a major blow! The DNA verdict is 99.9% European and 0% Middle Eastern. That must be devastating!

            2) He has no resemblance at all to the people of the Middle East. Here is a link that has 250 pictures of the Ashkenazi. Find me one that looks even remotely Middle Eastern. I have never met or seen any Ashkenazi that looks Middle Eastern – not one.

            https://wordpress*com/post/europeanjews*wordpress*com/2832

            (replace * with dot)

          • peepsqueek

            So does Muhammad, claim that he is a descendant of a man from Ur, who lived 2,700 years before him. You are playing a game that does not apply in May of 2017

          • Helen4Yemen

            The word “Abraham” occurs 64 times in the Koran. If Muhammad claimed to be descended from Abraham, it makes much more sense considering that Saudi Arabia borders Iraq where Ur used to be. Compare that to lily white Europeans from Lithuania or Poland claiming to be descended from someone who lived in Iraq is silly and laughable. When the Ashkenazi looks in the mirror, does he not see the European reflected on his mirror?

          • peepsqueek

            And it also makes sense that an illiterate could trace his descendantsy back 2700 years??, and Muhammad did not write the Koran, so keep picking and choosing.

          • Tony Riley

            The word “Palestine” does not appear in the Koran.

          • Helen4Yemen

            THIS IDIOTS-FREE-ZONE

            BLOCKED!

          • Jack

            As there was NO Palestine ever !

      • Tony Riley

        The King James Bible, is a British invention, and, the word Palestine is never mentioned in the real Bible, as the Romans only invented it in 135AD.

    • Helen4Yemen

      And Golda is from where?

      All PM of the Zionist state were Europeans.
      Notice how they all got rid of their original names.
      Notice no Arab Jews made it to be MP

      1. David ben Gurion (David Grün) – born 1886 – Poland

      2. Ehud Barak (Ehud Brog) – Born 1942 – Palestine (Lithuanian)

      3. Ariel Sharon (Arik Scheinermann) – born 1928 – Palestine (Russian)

      4. Golda Meir (Golda Mabovitch) – born 1898 – Ukraine

      5. Shimon Peres (Szymon Perski) – born 1923 – Poland

      6. Menachem Begin (Mieczyslaw Biegun) – born 1913 – Russia

      7. Yitzhak Shamir (Icchak Yezernitsky) – born 1915 – Russia

      8. Benjamin Natanyahu (Mileikowsky) -born 1949 – Palestine (Lithuanian)
      Also he used to be known as “Ben Nitai”

      • Mike Abramov

        ….and what was your name before Helen4Yemen? Susan Jones?

        • Helen4Yemen

          How Jews go for gentile names:

          a) They go for first names as their last names:
          Jon Steward, Woody Allen …

          b) They play around with the Alphabet of their Ashkenazi names and create new names such as Michael Oren used to be Michael Bornstein.

          c) They like Irish-sounding names. E.g. John Kerry whose family name was Kohen and changed their name to Kerry after throwing a dart on a map of Ireland and the dart fell on the city of Kerry.

          d) There is no other group of people who discard their family names so fast and adopt other non-Jewish sounding names as the Ashkenazi.

          • peepsqueek

            Obviously you do not know a lot about the Jewish experience of attempting to be accepted in the non-Jewish world.

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Arab Jews had names like Hussain, Hassan, Muhammad, Abdullah until the Ashkenazi arrived and forced them to change their centuries old names.

          • peepsqueek

            Jews have take local names and changed their names at one time or another to fit in or be more accepted. Were any of these Hussains, Hassans, Muhammads, and Abdullahs allowed to enter the City of Mecca or exempt from paying a special tax to the authorities? Please do not dodge the question.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Rabbi Ben Hassan, Rabbi of SBH

            http://www*sbhseattle*org/about/our-rabbi/

          • Tony Riley

            Your real name is Helen Hamasshole-Bimbo.

      • peepsqueek

        Jews came to a geographical location that has most of their holiest sites, and build a viable nation. Collective Arab Countries chose several wars over building another Arab State. They lost!

        • Helen4Yemen

          Can Indonesian also come to Saudi Arabia and settle down per your silly logic? The Ashkenazi is European – period!

          • peepsqueek

            New York Times, May 9, 2017– JAKARTA, Indonesia — “An Indonesian court found the Christian governor of the country’s capital, Jakarta, guilty of blasphemy against Islam on Tuesday, sentencing him to two years in prison in a case widely seen as a test of religious tolerance and free speech.” — Do I need to say more? Arabia, Indonesia, you have to live under some form of Islamic Sharia. Israel has to remain a Jewish State if they expect to have the full right of self determination.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Just the mention of the world ‘Indonesia’ has you going in all direction to find a way to malign Islam? Are you even normal?

          • peepsqueek

            I did not malign Islam. This story was in the international news this week. It is what it is!

          • Helen4Yemen

            Prior to the Ashkenazi of Europe seizing Palestine, all that the Ashkenazi agitated against were the Christians and never the Muslims. Yes or no?

          • peepsqueek

            Nice dodge to the above post! Yes or No? No non-Muslim has the full right of self determination under Islamic Sharia. The Chinese Christian politician was accused of blasphemy and now he is in prison in Indonesia. What does that have to do with Jews, Europe, or Palestine?

          • Helen4Yemen

            When Christian Europe was murdering Jews, they Jews ran towards Muslim lands. Yes or no?

          • peepsqueek

            One, because they ran in all directions, and many real Christians hid them and helped them to escape. Two, because they did not have Jewish state to protect them. Three, Muslim lands were the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity before the invention of Islam.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Can Indonesian also come to Saudi Arabia and settle down per your silly logic?

          • peepsqueek

            A Chinese Christian settled down in Indonesia and became a governor, only to be jailed and stand trial for blasphemy against Islam. Indonesians have settled in Saudi Arabia as labor migrants. As of 2004, an estimated 550,000 Indonesians living and working in Saudi Arabia.

            Indonesia’s Saudi Arabia Problem, March 2, 2017– “The trial of the Christian governor of Jakarta has been a triumph for puritanical Islamist movements, who successfully mobilized their ranks to push the authorities for a blasphemy trial. And many of those on the front line of that battle were nurtured in Saudi networks; for decades, the Saudis have spread their influence in Indonesia by extensively funding schools and mosques that teach a strict, Salafist version of Islam.”

            “The Saudis see such educational efforts as benign soft power exercises, but many Indonesians believe that Riyadh is contributing to the country’s radicalization problem. Cities like Solo have become breeding grounds for Salafi radicalization, recent terrorist attacks have been inspired by Wahhabi extremists, and Indonesian alumni of Saudi institutions are increasingly gaining positions of influence in the government. For many moderate Indonesians, these troubling trends are the fruits of Saudi seeds planted long ago.”

    • Jack

      Michael, it’s the so called Palestinians that say that there is not such people as the Palestinians.

      “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. IT IS JUST AN ARAB TACTIC FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!”
      PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein

      “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
      Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
      against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
      today there is no difference between Jordanians,
      Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
      tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
      a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
      that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
      people’ to oppose Zionism.
      “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
      with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
      While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
      Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
      reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
      a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” .

      • Mike Abramov

        My Dear Jack.

        I know that. I have known for years, but much of the younger generation have forgotten that in 1948, they were Arab refugees. It was not until 1967 that Yasar Arafat recommended the nationalist route. However, you and I both know that when the British were in Palestine the Arabs did not have a problem with ‘white Christian Europeans’ running the country. But, Jews? No.

        How dare the UN give a piece of land the size of Wales to the Jews.

        Take solace from the potential outcome that Palestine may one day be a sovereign state.Only then will it become evident that the ensuing civil war between Shiites and Sunnis was all about Israel being a buffer zone between the tribal factions of the Arabs.

        • Helen4Yemen

          “How dare the UN give a piece of land the size of Wales to the Jews.”

          Does the Ashkenazi now claim Palestine to be his ancestral land? Yes or no?

        • Helen4Yemen

          The Iraq war and ‘Greater Israel

          Here is from Ari Shavit – Haaretz – March 4, 2003

          “In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them JEWISH, almost all of them intellectuals people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history
          a partial list:

          Richard Perle,
          Paul Wolfowitz,
          Douglas Feith,
          William Kristol,
          Eliot Abrams,
          Charles Krauthammer”

          • Jack

            The government of Hafiz al-Asad adopted Pan-Syrian ideas and made them Syrian state policy.

            Greater Syrian nation “Syria” referred to a region much larger than the Syrian Arab Republic of today, a region that stretched from the borders of Anatolia to those of Egypt, from the edge of Iraq to the Mediterranean Sea. In terms of today’s states, the Syria of old comprised Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan, plus the Gaza Strip and Alexandretta.

            The government of Hafiz al-Asad adopted Pan-Syrian ideas and made them Syrian state policy.

  • Helen4Yemen

    The land is called PALESTINE – NOT Israel
    __________________________
    Russia was very excited at the prospect of cleansing Russia of its Jewry.

    Here is from Herzl Diary entry of AuG 10, 1903

    Yacheslav, Plehve

    1888-1902 assistant minister of the interior of the Russian Government

    1902-1904 Minister of the interior

    Day before yesterday, in the morning, with Plehve only a brief wait, a man of sixty, rather stout, steps quickly forward, greets me, bids me be seated and begins to talk. He has a shallow, grave countenance, grey hair, white mustache, and remarkably youthful, energetic brown eyes. He spoke in French, not brilliant but not bad, he begun by clearing the ground

    “I have accorded you this interview, at your request in order to come to an understanding with you in respect to the Zionist movement, of which you are the leader. The relations which shall prevail between the Imperial government and Zionism-and which could become -I will not say friendly but in the nature of an agreement -will depend upon you’

    I interjected: if it depends on me, Your Excellency, they will be excellent.”””

    He nodded and continued: “the Jewish question is not vital to us, but still it is fairly important. And we are trying to settle it in the most amicable way possible. I have grated you this discussion of it before your Congress meets at Basel, as you requested.”

    That was it, I believe, the first critical move in this ‘immortal game’ of chess. For I understood all along that he attached much importance to the forthcoming Zionist congress, obviously because he saw that the Kishinev business was bound to come up there for a frank airing. When that happens I could be in the position of doing him a service by cutting the thing short.

    Plehve: “What sort of help then do you ask of us?”

    I developed the three points, which I have written down in the abstract of our conversation:
    1.Russian intervention with the Sultan, in order to secure a charter for colonization of Palestine.
    2.Russian financial aid for emigration, with money raised from Jewish funds and taxes
    3.Government facilitation of Russian Zionist organizational work

    He agreed to all the three points without hesitation.

    In regard to financing the emigration, he explained,

    I concede that the government should carry it out, but we can take the funds only from Jewish pockets. The rich must pay the poor.

    It is an excellent idea, I said.

    In the end, we agreed that I should draw up a summary and also outline what I intended to say at the Zionist Congress.

    When I felt that we had nothing more to say to each other and he had ordered me to prepare the summary, I rose and asked him to grant me another audience after he had examined the document. He promised to do so. I turned to go, he pressed my hand, saying, “I am very happy to have met you in person”.

    And I too, your Excellency, I am happy to have seen the M. de Plehve about whom Europe talks so much about.

    He smiled and said: “and speaks so much evil.”

    The next day he said to dear old Mme orvin-Piarovska the he wished he could have at his departments a type of executive such as myself

    Theodor Herzl continues:

    I forgot:

    In the course of our talk when I explained to him the need for Russian intervention with the sultan, because Palestine was the only place that attracted us, I added some remarks on the difficulties of being admitted into other countries, even England and America. If emigration were to be subventioned with gov’t funds-as bruited about in St. Petersburg these days, and indeed published in the “Novoye Vremya” – it would be tanamount to putting an export premium on Jews; and the reluctance to receive them, which I knew of first hand in England, would be strengthened. A people would certainly be considered ‘undesirable’ for whose departure their own government is willing to pay a bonus.

    Plehve thought, to be sure, that England was out of the question when it came to a sizable emigration. America, though, was something else. It still had large territories available for settlement; and if the banker Seligman would approach his friend Roosevelt in the matter, something might be done. I said I didn’t regard this as possible; I couldn’t say anything positive about it, for I had never sounded out the American gov’t on the subject. Palestine, moreover, seemed to offer the one genuine opportunity.

    • Jack

      “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. IT IS JUST AN ARAB TACTIC FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!”
      PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein

      “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
      Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
      against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
      today there is no difference between Jordanians,
      Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
      tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
      a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
      that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
      people’ to oppose Zionism.
      “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
      with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
      While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
      Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
      reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
      a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.” .!!

  • Helen4Yemen

    “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

  • Tony Riley

    Golda was right: there never was a Palestinian people, just Arab immigrants.

    Even Yasser Arafat was an Egyptian terrorist.