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Immunity and impunity: Britain protects Tzipi Livni once again

Tzipi Livni

Once again, Israeli opposition politician and war crimes suspect Tzipi Livni has been granted diplomatic immunity by the British government for a private visit to London.

Last week, Scotland Yard’s War Crimes Unit invited Tzipi Livni to a police interview under caution, in relation to her role in Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip in December 2008 (Operation Cast Lead). At the time, Livni was foreign minister, vice prime minister, and a member of the security cabinet.

The summons, described in Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz as “unprecedented”, was only “cancelled after diplomatic contacts between Israel and Britain, at the end of which Livni received immunity.”

The invitation to an interview under caution was made days before Livni’s scheduled appearance at a conference in London organised by Ha’aretz. Following receipt of the invitation by police, the highest levels of the Israeli government became involved, including the Prime Minister’s office, the Foreign Ministry, Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked and Attorney General Avichai Mendelblit.

They need not have worried; according to the paper’s account, the UK Foreign Office agreed for a meeting to be “arranged for Livni with the minister in charge of Middle Eastern affairs”, so that “Livni’s visit to London would acquire the status of a ‘special diplomatic assignment’”, and thus “automatically grant her immunity from arrest and prosecution.”

This is now the fourth time that Livni has been given immunity by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) in similar circumstances.

In 2009, a British judge issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli politician ahead of a visit to London that was subsequently cancelled. Two years later, after Israeli pressure, the government changed the legislation on universal jurisdiction.

But this did not eliminate the possibility of arrest for those with a case to answer, as the farcical circumstances of Livni’s visit in October 2011 – when officials scrambled to grant her diplomatic immunity – ably demonstrated.

Livni also visited London in 2014 and 2015, for a Jewish National Fund conference and Fortune’s ‘Most Powerful Women International Summit’ respectively. On both occasions the FCO arranged meetings for Livni with British officials, and granted her visits Special Mission status.

Responding to the latest developments this last week, the Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) slammed the FCO’s “attempt to protect [Livni] from arrest and prosecution.”

PCHR acts on behalf of the brother of Na’im Ashour Al-Ghefari, who “died with more than 60 other civilian police officers and trainees when the police compound in Gaza City was bombed by Israeli war planes on 27 December 2008 while a graduation ceremony of police cadets was taking place.”

The “deliberate killing” of these police officers, part of an intentional decision by Israel’s senior decision-makers to pursue a “shock and awe” effect in Gaza, was deemed to have been a violation of international humanitarian law by The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict.

In their press release, PCHR said that the FCO’s granting of Special Mission immunity to Livni was “unwarranted, and inappropriate”, given that she was visiting the UK “in her private capacity in order to attend a conference organised by a newspaper.”

To arrange a meeting with an FCO official “only after Scotland Yard’s invitation to interview her,” PCHR claimed, “can only have been a calculated interference in due process on the part of the police”, and was “organised solely to facilitate the granting of immunity during her visit here.”

Last year, an Amnesty International UK official told me it is “well known” that “UK authorities are content to undermine efforts to bring alleged Israeli war criminals to justice.” Such steps, which serve to “undermine international justice and entrench impunity”, are continuing.

Asked to comment on the latest decision to grant Livni’s visit Special Mission status, an FCO spokesperson said: “we don’t publish special mission status decisions as they are made.”

Speaking to Israeli Army Radio, Livni claimed that she had “declined immunity for her current trip to Britain on principle…to test what British authorities would do in cases of Israelis who are not eligible for diplomatic immunity but who could be pursued for alleged war crimes.”

This would appear to be a lie – in fact, once more, Livni relied on FCO-granted immunity.

Daniel Machover, a London-based lawyer acting for the victims, said he would “welcome” Livni agreeing to attend the police interview, and wondered why, if she was so confident that she has no case to answer, “she would decline the offer to meet the police” and defend her actions.

Such a prospect seems unlikely, as long as Livni and Israeli officials will not run the risk of arrest, and as long as the FCO is willing to grant immunity for war crimes suspects.

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  • Mike Abramov

    Instead of poncing about over ‘your view’ of Tzipi Livni being a war criminal why don’t you look at your own doorstep at Tony Blair. If you want mass murder arrests then show me Ben, that you have the guts to get an arrest warrant for Tony Blair. Besides that, there are international arrest warrants for Hamas and Islamic Jihad you can pursue if you feel that strongly about ‘war crimes’. Another pathetic piece of journalism by Ben White.

    • James Mendelsohn

      Well yes, this is Ben White we are talking about

    • scorpion

      How do you expect an ordinary citizen to do that?

      • Mike Abramov

        Well, he can go to the police and accuse Blair of mass murder. He can go to the Home Office using the same logic he has for Tzipi Livni and demand an arrest warrant for Tony Blair. Easy.

  • Lilly Munster

    She is a vile, evil Zionist. She has OPENLY called for the extermination of ALL Palestinians. She has called them snakes, animals and vermin. Arrest her. Torture her. It’s legal, right?

    • James Mendelsohn

      Ah Lily Munster, the lady who thinks there are too many “treacherous” Jews in the US. Another comment which speaks volumes about you.

      • scorpion

        Your responses say heaps about you too! Go back to HASBARA land!

        • James Mendelsohn

          Are you for real?

          • scorpion

            Yes I am, troubles does it?

          • James Mendelsohn

            Well, do you agree with LM’s view that there are too many “treacherous” Jews in the US?

          • scorpion

            YES!! There ARE too many treacherous Jews worldwide!!

            Patai quotes Herzl’s Diaries: “They (Goyim) could not have let themselves be subjected by us in the army, in government, in all of commerce”. However, Zionists have proven Herzl to be wrong. The Jews now do control all those three sectors of the Western world

          • James Mendelsohn

            Thank you. That tells me all I need to know about you.

          • scorpion

            And your feeble attempts at trying to sound intelligent while lying tells everything I need to know about you!!

          • scorpion

            “”Patai quotes Herzl’s Diaries:
            “They (Goyim) could not have let themselves be subjected by us in the army, in government, in all of commerce”. However, Zionists have proven Herzl to be wrong. The Jews now do control all those three sectors of the Western world”

            Well the cap certainly fitted here didn’t it!! he must have been auntie semitic!!

          • scorpion

            You hot air is exposed:

            It’s a Trick, We Always Use It.” (calling people “anti-Semitic”)

            It’s the standard tactic of calling someone “anti-Semitic,” and its used to sabotage anyone who speaks out against the US government policy of supporting immoral and illegal Israeli policies which violate basic human rights. And as you can see, this person suggests using a new word for the same old trick.

            Amy Goodman interviews a former Israeli minister Shulamit Aloni and she helps expose this trick used against dissidents, the defamation tactic of calling people “anti-Semitic.”

          • James Mendelsohn

            Actually, I didn’t call you anti-Semitic. However, if the cap fits…

          • scorpion

            Well if I am not, you should go seek medical attention as talking to one’self is an indicator of a problem!!

    • Mike Abramov

      OK Ms. Munster where did you read that Tzipi Livni called for the exterminations of all Palestinians? Was it the bottom left corner of a recent edition of the Socialist Worker journal because I think you have made this up.

      • scorpion

        she would be in the same company as you then!

    • scorpion

      In Israel torture is legal, they even torture children! Not sure if I am allowed to post links to videos? But I can back up what I am stating!

    • Mike Abramov

      If you are talking about Tzipi Livni, would you be kind enough to proove that you are not a liar and an anti-Semite by citing your sources.

      • scorpion

        What like you are always providing sources? Why don’t you stop being so idiotic and demanding stuff or are you too scared of what you might find out?

        Next you’ll start quoting Wikipedia.

  • ray rayz

    The health of any democracy is to have a very clear separation between State Law makers and the Judicial system. When it comes to the Zionists the State becomes the Lawmaker..
    Zionism is the root cause of ALL conflicts and is the greatest threat to humanity..
    The Illegal, Nuclear, Terrorist state of IsraHell must be removed and all the Ashkenazi’s must be sent back to their European countries. These people are NOT Semites but AshkeNAZI jews, the fake Semites..

    • Tommy Prince

      Where zionists go anti-semites follow.

      • Helen4Yemen

        What has ARAB Palestine got to do with a war between two white Europeans, one Jew and another Christian? Germany should have give a piece of its land for its own German Jews!

    • Mike Abramov

      Here is a Lesson on the history and back ground of the State of Israel.

      2 former PMs have been imprisoned for corruption. This is judicial law in Israel.
      Zionism is a cause to let the Jewish people know that if anti-Semitism is a threat anywhere in the world, those Jews can come to Israel. The greatest threat to humanity is ignorance.
      Israel is not an illegal state. A UN vote was the deciding factor in the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.
      Israel has never employed it’s nuclear weapons.
      The Askenazim are just as Jewish as the Sephardim. If you know your history, the people known as Ashenazim were the merchants, traders and professionals that left the crumbling Roman empire after 490 AD. Yes, there is a Jewish gene.
      Finally, if you are going to post comments like this in the future, may I ask you to do your research first so that you can then avoid sounding like a rabid idiot.

      • ray rayz

        It is you that should check your history and not preach your zionist propaganda .. It has been scientificly proven that European jews have absolutely no connection to the Semitic tribes of the ME. It is a very simple DNA check that proves this.. To claim that european jews are Judaic Torah Semites is absolutely false and you know it. You, the European jews originate from a small eastern eurpoean group of 360 people that were around only 650 years ago and are trying to write your selves into history..
        It is you people that are the very threat to this planet and it is your ideology that must be removed from this earth…!!!

        • Mike Abramov

          Sorry Ray – You are absolutely wrong both in your dates and your facts. May I add that you come over as quite anti-Semitic.

          • ray rayz

            It is easy for you to say I am wrong, very easy. You are aware of these FACTS but typical Zio defence is “Anti-Semite, Anti-Semite”.. This same tired claim gets handed around and around all the time and frankly it’s boring…
            Now Mike, please explain here what you think I say that is anti Semitic…
            We know that the stinking AshkeNAZI’s have no connection with the Semitic tribes so how can I be anti Semitic specially when I have through my blood Semitic DNA indicators??? AshkeNAZI’s do not have this DNA….!!!!

          • Mike Abramov

            Again Ray, if you read back what you have sent me, you are begining to sound like a Nazi yourself. A German had to proove he was an Aryan to remain safely in the Third Reich. You are saying that the Ashenazim are not true Jews. This my friend is pure racism in the Nazi doctrine. Think before you write.

          • scorpion

            “”This my friend is pure racism in the Nazi doctrine”” So why did Stern and Begin almost beg to work with Hitler? They wrote to him to fight on behalf of the Germans It was the Germans who funded the IDF and Mussolini who started of the Israeli Navy. The Havara Agreement sound familiar to you?

          • Mike Abramov

            Where did you get this information from?

          • scorpion

            It’s a Trick, We Always Use It.” (calling people “anti-Semitic”)

            It’s the standard tactic of calling someone “anti-Semitic,” and its used to sabotage anyone who speaks out against the US government policy of supporting immoral and illegal Israeli policies which violate basic human rights. And as you can see, this person suggests using a new word for the same old trick.

            Amy Goodman interviews a former Israeli minister Shulamit Aloni and she helps expose this trick used against dissidents, the defamation tactic of calling people “anti-Semitic.”

            Tired old cliche, which anyone with two operational brain cells can work out, which explains why you and people like you haven’t!! Lie away and we won’t bother to set you straight as that would be a waste of time, other people will see this and see what a load of lies, hot air and unsubstantiated opinions, which have been proven to be inaccurate or outright lies you spout!

      • MissCostello

        SHOVE IT.

      • scorpion

        In 1977 the Oriental Jews of Israel gained their revenge on the Israeli Labour Party when they put Menachem Begin of Likud in power. In the early fifties the need for immigrants was such that a columnist in Davar, paper of Histadrut, wrote:
        ‘I shall not be ashamed to confess that if I had the power, as I have the will, I would select a score of efficient young men – intelligent, decent, devoted to our ideal and burning with the desire to help redeem Jews—and I would send them to the countries where Jews are absorbed in sinful self-satisfaction. The task of these young men would be to disguise themselves as non-Jews, and plague Jews with anti-Semitic slogans such as ‘Bloody Jew’, ‘Jews go to Palestine’ and similar intimacies. I can vouch that the results in terms of a considerable immigration to Israel from these countries would be ten thousand times larger than the results brought by thousands of emissaries who have been preaching for decades to deaf ears.’ [Uri Harari, cited in Alfred Lillienthall, The Other Side of the Coin, Devin-Adair, New York, p. 47.]

        • Mike Abramov

          Oh dear! Lillenthal is one of many anti-Semitic Jews who lives in America completely immune from the anti-Semitism of the Old World. there are many Jews like him. His plan originally was that Israel was Socialist (1948 onwards) and therefore a threat to the American way of life.

          • scorpion

            Only to be expected from a failed HASBARA, go read Hertzl’s Diaries and The Jewish State, that should make your eyes water.

      • scorpion

        Never ratified by security council and void owing to the lies that Palestinians would be treated fairly!

        You surely are aware of the words of Theodor Hertzl , who presided the first zionist meeting :“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews….become worse….this will assist in realization of our plans….I have an excellent idea….I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth….The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends.”

        • Mike Abramov

          Mr. Scorpion. I want the date, page number, paragraph and origin of this pile of rubbish you are telling me about Herzl

          • scorpion

            Go away and do your own research!! Th e Jewish state should make good reading for you and Hertzl’s diaries

            Here is one for you to choke on, and spit out your Matzos!! 🙂

            ‘I shall not be ashamed to confess that if I had the power, as I have the will, I would select a score of efficient young men – intelligent, decent, devoted to our ideal and burning with the desire to help redeem Jews—and I would send them to the countries where Jews are absorbed in sinful self-satisfaction. The task of these young men would be to disguise themselves as non-Jews, and plague Jews with anti-Semitic slogans such as ‘Bloody Jew’, ‘Jews go to Palestine’ and similar intimacies. I can vouch that the results in terms of a considerable immigration to Israel from these countries would be ten thousand times larger than the results brought by thousands of emissaries who have been preaching for decades to deaf ears.’ [Uri Harari, cited in Alfred Lillienthall, The Other Side of the Coin, Devin-Adair, New York, p. 47.]

          • scorpion

            Go away and do your own research!! “The Jewish state” should make good reading for you and Hertzl’s diaries

            Here is one for you to choke on, and spit out your Matzos!! 🙂

            Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”

            Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

          • Mike Abramov

            I have done my research. Lillenhall is a left-wing, anti-Semitic historian and a liar. There are many historians out there who ‘manipulate’ history to serve a cause. No, I am not intimidated by you and your anti-Semitism. I have seen and heard it all before. You and any others forget that Palestine was a desert in the south and a swamp in the north before 1900. Jews sweated and toiled to make Israel an oasis. Now, the Arabs want it back. How interesting?

          • scorpion

            You are nothing but a deluded brain washed liar!! Everyone will notice that you very conveniently don’t say anything about THE FACTS I posted and you still post your stupid unfounded OPINIONS, where’s your facts? OHH there aren’t any how interesting!!

            Who Made The Desert Bloom?
            In December 1945 and January 1946, the British Mandate authorities carried out an extensive survey of Palestine, in support of the work of the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine. The results were published in the Survey of Palestine, which has been scanned and made available online by Palestine Remembered; all 1300 pages can be read here. One of the subjects investigated in the Survey of Palestine is land use; specifically, which crops were Palestine’s leading agricultural products at the end of the British Mandate, and whose farms were producing them.

            So, according to the Survey of Palestine, who really made the barley fields of Beersheba bloom?
            The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 210,000 tons of grain. About 193,400 tons of that grain were cultivated on Palestinian farms; about 16,600 tons were cultivated on Jewish farms. See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

            Who made the melon patches of Jaffa bloom?
            The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 143,000 tons of melons. About 136,000 tons of those melons were cultivated on Palestinian farms; a little over 7,000 tons were cultivated on Jewish farms. See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

            Who made the tobacco fields of Safad bloom?
            The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 1,683 tons of tobacco, on 28,169 dunams of land.
            Virtually all the land under tobacco cultivation was Palestinian.

            Who made the vineyards of Hebron bloom?
            The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 40-50,000 tons of grapes, and between 3-4 million litres of wine. About 86% of the land that produced these products was owned and cultivated by Palestinians. See a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine here.

            Who made the olive groves of Tulkarm bloom?
            The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 79,000 tons of olives. About 78,000 tons of those olives were cultivated on Palestinian farms; a little over 1,000 tons were cultivated on Jewish farms. See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here and here.

            Who made the banana groves of Tiberias bloom?
            The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 8,000 tons of bananas. About 60% of the land that produced these bananas was owned and cultivated by Palestinians. See the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

            Who made the vegetable fields of the coastal plain bloom?
            The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 245,000 tons of vegetables. About 189,000 tons of those vegetables were cultivated by Palestinian farmers; about 56,000 tons were cultivated by Jewish farmers. See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

            So, on the eve of the partition resolution, in which the United Nations proposed to allocate 55 percent of the land to Jewish Palestine (including those parts that produced most of Palestine’s leading crops, with the sole exception of the olive crop), and 45% to Arab Palestine, Palestinian Arabs were producing:
            92% of Palestine’s grain
            86% of its grapes
            99% of its olives
            77 % of its vegetables
            95% of its melons
            more than 99% of its tobacco
            and 60% of its bananas.

            Palestine’s agricultural produce at that time had an annual value of approximately 21.8 million pounds sterling; 17.1 million of which was produced by Arab cultivation, and 4.7 million by Jewish cultivation. (See the exact numbers here).

            So, who made the desert bloom? The Palestinians made the desert bloom.

          • scorpion

            You’ve done your research yet didn’t know about Hertzel’s Diary calling them lies, shows how good your research is and you are just another brainwashed HASBARA twerp! When given clear evidence you ignore it as it doesn’t fit into your warped and perverted view of Isreal the alleged Utopia,You are nothing but a bad joke!

          • scorpion

            Debunking the lie of a “land without a people”

            As early as 1891 one of the first zionists, Asher Guinsberg (writing under
            the pseudonym Ahad Ha’am) “one of the people” visiting Palestine, gives this eye-witness account:

            “Abroad, we are used to believing that Eretz-Israel is today semi-desert, desert without cultivation. and that whoever wants to acquire land can come here and get as much as his heart desires. But the truth is nothing like this. In any part of the country, it is difficult to find uncultivated fields. The only uncultivated places are expanses of sand and stony mountains where only fruit trees can grow, and even then, only after a lot of heavy preparatory labour.”
            Source : Ahad Ha’arn. Complete Works (In Hebrew). Tel Aviv. Devir Publ. House and Jerusalem. The Hebrew Publishing House, 8th edition, p. 23. (Tel Aviv)

            It is impossible to forget something that never happened unlike people like you who constantly lie to fit your own warped motives!

            You deluded liars sem to forget there are facts and evidence out there that proves that you are liars, facts not your bloated long windede lies and opinions!!

            “”In reality, before the zionists, the “bedouins” (in fact cereal growers) were exporting 30,000 tons of wheat per year; the area of Arab orchards tripled between 1921 and 1942, that of orange groves and other citrus fruit grew seven-fold between 1922 and 1947, production grew ten-fold between 1922 and 1938.

            If we just take the example of citrus fruit, The Peel Report, submitted to the British Parliament by the Secretary of State for the Colonies in July 1937, based on the rapid growth of orange groves in Palestine, estimated that for the 30 million crates of winter oranges by which the world consumption would rise in the following decade, the producing and exporting countries would be as follows:

            Palestine: 15 million
            United States: 7 million
            Spain: 5 million
            Other countries: 3 million (Cyprus, Egypt, Algeria, etc.)
            Source: “Peel Report”, chapter 8, º 19, p. 214!!

            FACTS always wins out on any idiots opinion!!

          • scorpion

            What about Hertz? Nice try at deflection, but you have the whole quote and where it came from, but fail to mention it, now I wonder why that is? 🙂 Then you come up with yet another blatant LIE!
            “”You and any others forget that Palestine was a desert in the south and a swamp in the north before 1900. Jews sweated and toiled to make Israel an oasis. Now, the Arabs want it back. How interesting?””

            That lie has been thoroughly de-bunked anything more you need to find the facts about?

          • scorpion

            Bit pushy aren’t we “I want”, But as it will give everyone with non Tay Sachs riddle brain cells a good laugh READ THIS!!!

            While Herzl claimed that the establishment of a “Jewish” state would cure anti-Semitism, he also promoted anti-Semitism to further his cause.

            Herzl stated in his diary:

            “It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as ‘stooges of the Jews.’ Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies.” (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

            The Israeli Historian Benny Morris described how Herzl foresaw how anti-Semitism could be harnessed for the realization of Zionism. He stated:

            “Herzl regarded Zionism’s triumph as inevitable, not only because life in Europe was ever more untenable for Jews, but also because it was in Europe’s interests to rid the Jews and relieved of anti-Semitism: The European political establishment would eventually be persuaded to promote Zionism. Herzl recognized that anti-Semitism would be harnessed to his own–Zionist-purposes.” (Righteous Victims, p. 21)

            “The wealthy Jews rule the world; the fate of the governments lies in their hands. They start wars between countries, and when they wish, the governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along, and meanwhile the Jews get richer!” (Published by Herzl in a German newspaper)

            Genetically induced arrogance, you are not superior!!

          • ray rayz

            Here we go again Mike… Don’t you even know how to do a search yourself? I suggest you simply go away and search your history, you may then understand how non Judaic you really are.. The Talmud that you worship is not the Judaic book of religion, it is the Torah. The Torah and the Talmud are 180 degrees opposite in their message.. Educate yourself and you wont seem such a fool…

          • Mike Abramov

            Like the Qur’an, which is three books, the Talmud is an explanation and discussion of the Torah. Similar to the Arabs the Jews are factioned. Arabs are tribal. The Sunni’s hate the Shi’ites. The Alewites hate the Sunnis and they all hate the Kurds….but you are all Muslims. Therefore, to suggest that the Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews is nonsense for the following reason. Disregarding genes, being a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Hindu is how you feel, not a forced identity. Does that make sense? Many Jews have turned their back on being Jewish because they do not ‘feel’ Jewish.

          • scorpion

            Is that why Askenazi’s did Radiation experiments on 100,000 Sepherdim Jews killing many?

            Many Jews have turned their backs on being Jewish as it is associated with Israel!

          • scorpion

            Been busy reading Hertzl’s diaries Mr Ace Researcher? Or have you run to speak to HASBARA Central to get more lies downloaded into your low capacity mind?

      • Helen4Yemen

        Palestine is Arab, 100% Arab (Muslims, Jews, Christians).
        The Ashkenazi Jew is European, when in doubt, look in the mirror.
        Who is staring back?

        • Mike Abramov

          Helen – Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or even Zaroastran. The world is full of converts. However, If one feels Jewish, that’s it. By suggesting that Ashkenazi Jews are converts and therefore not ‘real Jews’ is condoning the Nazi theory of the Ubermensch with the ‘untainted blood line’ theory…and I am sure you are not a Nazi, are you?

          • Helen4Yemen

            No, I am not a Nazi but our land was stolen by Europeans who claim to be victims of European Nazis. That was a conflict between two white Europeans and the Palestinians wound up paying a price. White-European Jewry used the excuse of ‘coming back’ to steal land.

          • Mike Abramov

            It worries me Helen that you are re-constructing history. The land was not stolen. You know that. The Europeans, as you call them, were murdered by the Nazis. You know that. White European Jews? So, what about the black Jews of Ethiopia. Your comments are racist. In fact, your comments are very similar to the Nazi belief that a German (Aryan) can only be blond and blue-eyed.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Ashkenazi Jews are European converts and only coreligionists of the Arab Jews. Look in the mirror!

      • Helen4Yemen

        Are you aware that European Jews have more than 40 genetic diseases that no other Jews have? While testing for these diseases, genetics scientists discovered that only European Jews were carriers of these Genetic diseases and no Arab Jews were. Test after test revealed that the Arab Jews were free of these diseases. What does that tell you? It tells you scientifically that there is no genetic connection between the white European Jews and the Semitic Jews of the M/E. European Jews are European from time immemorial. Not a single European Jew is a Semite. The Arab Jews are Semites. That is the truth and the undisputed truth.

        Google=>Ashkenazi Genetic diseases

        • Mike Abramov

          I am afraid you are wrong. Are you also going to suggest that the ethnic Mexicans (the Aztecs) are not true Catholics?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Arab Jews are the blood relatives of Arab Muslims and Arab Christians and only coreligionists of European Jews. Understood?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Ashkenazi are European converts to Judaism just like the Indonesians are Muslims converts.

          • ray rayz

            Mike, you are not too bright are you? I think you need to do more reading of your Talmud so you can improve your bullshit skills….

          • Mike Abramov

            Ray – you are an interesting man. I think you have deep issues that can only be expressed in anger and insults. By-the-way, my IQ is 116 and therefore I am bright.

          • scorpion

            As usual boasting, soon you’ll be whining!

      • Helen4Yemen

        Here is Ralph Schoenman:

        Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu (real name: Mileikowsky) is descendant from people who have no relation to Palestine, historic or other, because Ashkenazim or European Jews such as Mr. Netanyahu or ourselves for that matter are in fact descendants of the Khazars, an 8th and 9th century empire that converted to Judaism at that time from which European Jews are descended. Indeed, as I have often discussed, if one wanted scientific data which demonstrates the ethnic origin of European Jewry, here is the point: European Jews are susceptible to a genetic condition known Tay-Sachs disease, it is analogous to what African Americans suffer, sickle cell anemia. What is interesting about this is that only European Jews are susceptible to this genetic trait. No Semitic people is. That means none of the Jews form the Arab East, Yemen or Iraq or North Africa or any of the areas of the region, because like their Arab brothers and sisters as are the Arab Jews. The point is very ironic as we have often made it and I think we should take a brief moment to emphasize this – who do you think was converted to the prostzling and dynamic Islamic religion in the 6th century? The indigenous inhabitants. They were Jews, they were non-believers, they were people of various local religious other views, animist views. The irony of all this is the Palestinian people have greater genetic link to the Jews of the region by descent than certainly the Ashkenazim who have no relation to the region whatsoever. So this is essentially a racist and pseudo scientific attempt historically to lay claim to an area and to translate their god into a real estate agent. There is no remote scintilla of evidence to establish a relationship between Jews in the world today and this region. None whatsoever, because the Jews of the period were expelled to Babylonia and the remaining tribes were entirely assimilated to the populations of the area. And indeed they are the antecedent of the Palestinian population, they have a greater relationship to the Hebrews of the early period than any Ashkenazim, none whatsoever by way of punctuating the irony and the point about the nature of a colonial settler project as an instrument of imperial conquest.

  • Tommy Prince

    It’s called the zionist headlock, all the five eyes have succumbed to it.

  • scorpion

    This sums up the HASBARA in a nutshell remind you of anyone posting here? 😉

    Four dimensions of narcissism as a personality variable have been delineated: leadership/authority,
    superiority/arrogance,

    self-absorption/self-admiration, and exploitativeness/entitlement.[6]

    A 2012 book on power-hungry narcissists suggests that narcissists typically display most, and sometimes all, of the following traits:
    • An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges
    • Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships
    • A lack of psychological awareness (see insight in psychology and psychiatry, egosyntonic)
    • Difficulty with empathy
    • Problems distinguishing the self from others (see narcissism and boundaries)
    • Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury)
    • Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt
    • Haughty body language
    • Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply)
    • Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse)
    • Using other people without considering the cost of doing so
    • Pretending to be more important than they really are
    • Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements
    • Claiming to be an “expert” at many things
    • Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people
    • Denial of remorse and gratitude