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Italian Red Cross operators carry the body of a migrant after the arrival of the Norwegian border patrol ship Siem Pilot at Salerno harbour on October 5, 2016 [Alessio Paduano / Anadolu Agency]
Italian Red Cross operators carry the body of a migrant after the arrival of the Norwegian border patrol ship Siem Pilot at Salerno harbour on October 5, 2016 [Alessio Paduano / Anadolu Agency]

Italy will host a meeting between European and North African countries next week in a bid to strengthen support for an agreement it struck with Libya to fight people smuggling as migrant arrivals surge.

The prime minister of the UN-backed government in Tripoli, Fayez Al-Seraj, will meet with Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni and interior ministers from eight European countries including Germany and France on Monday.

Last month, Italy pledged money, training and equipment to help Libya fight people smugglers, a deal that was endorsed by European Union member states.

But Libya is still far from stable. Two governments are vying for power – in Tobruk to the east and Tripoli to the west – and the country remains mired in factional fighting and lawlessness.

The authorities in eastern Libya have rejected the deal struck between Rome and Tripoli.

“I’m not so naive as to not understand the situation there,” Italian Interior Minister Marco Minniti told reporters. “But we cannot remain immobile and wait for the country to stabilise.”

He said the Libya agreement and next week’s meeting were not just “talk”, but strategic steps toward managing mass migration to Europe.

So far this year more than 16,000 migrants – a 36 per cent increase on the same period last year – have been rescued at sea and brought to Italy after Libya-based people smugglers piled them onto flimsy boats.

As part of the deal, Italy and the EU have promised to fund migrant camps on Libyan soil, but they need UN agencies to help manage them. Those same agencies have said Libya is not safe for migrants.

In a joint statement last month, four UN chiefs said:

Migrants and refugees in detention [in Libya] are held outside any legal process and in conditions which are generally inhuman. They are exposed to malnutrition, extortion, torture, sexual violence and other abuses.

On Friday, Italy’s opposition 5-Star Movement also took issue with the Libya agreement, calling it “a sham”. In a statement, 5-Star lawmakers said Libya was too dangerous for Italy’s diplomats, urging the closure of the embassy in Tripoli.

Last week Tripoli was gripped by heavy fighting as armed groups allied with Al-Seraj took over a compound that had been occupied by a rival leader, while forces in Libya’s Oil Crescent battled for control of two major oil ports.

EU Migration Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos and interior ministers from Algeria and Tunisia will also attend the meeting.

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  • peepsqueek

    Italians, who have thousands of years of traditions, Roman laws that the Western World still uses today, ancient fully functioning towns that were colonies under Julius Caesar, whose churches today maintain the paintings of the great Italian artists and sculptures from throughout the ages, developed the musical scales, the piano, violin, the opera, architecture that cannot be reproduced even today, etc, want to continue bring in all these people that have no idea what it means to be Italian.

    • paats1

      one must stabilise the situation in the traditional Imperial Roman sphere, meaning liberating it from non Roman values invasion

      • peepsqueek

        Roman/Italian values like sanitation, roads, aqueducts, clean water, architecture, the musical scales, ship building, maritime laws, etc, which all benefited everyone in the empire, and then evolved into what we have today? What values did you want to be liberated from?

        • Richard Wills-Woodward

          Sadly, Italy have given all this independence and self discipline up. Italy is now ruled from abroad with laws that bear no resemblance to the laws and foundational strength that once presided there.

          The British took great inspiration from the Roman world, which in itself was influence for that very British architecture – the Georgian house!

          Italy has become dependent and relatively poor. This is not an Italy the Romans would have accepted or allowed to happen.

          As with all empires, the fall and long term development related to population size and tacit knowledge is restored. As humans we can peek, as all energy can, but then in reverts to a sustainable level.

          • peepsqueek

            Italy is relative poor on paper, but it is not a poor Country. And while corruption is universal, Italy’s core values should not be eroded any further by a large influx of people that do not respect their core values. Just my opinion. Western Europe is a relatively small geographical area to be the safety valve for the never ending waving of Africans fleeing most Islamic Countries. It is not mathematically feasible. Africa’s continental population is expected to double by the year 2050. Europeans say it is already hitting the wall with desperately fleeing migrants. Is that what you mean by reverting to “sustainable levels”?

          • Helen4Yemen

            How many Muslims were fleeting their countries before these European leeches arrived on the land of Palestine and started all kinds of wars, the most devastating one was Iraq – goddamned predators.

          • peepsqueek

            Age old sectarian conflicts, still brewing in the 21st Century! On October 13, 1932, Iraq became a sovereign state and it was admitted to the League of Nations. Iraq was messed up by a complex web of social, economic, ethnic, religious, and ideological conflicts, all of which retarded the process of state formation. The declaration of statehood triggered an intense competition for power in the new entity. Sunnis and Shias, cities and tribes, sheiks and tribesmen, Assyrians and Kurds, pan-Arabists and Iraqi nationalists–all fought for places in the emerging state structure. The system was overwhelmed by these conflicting sectarian demands. What has changed?????

            Statement by Kurd Net Daily Online News: 
”For years the 30 million Kurds spread across those territories have been the world’s largest ethnic group without an independent homeland. Only the Kurds in Iraq, who displaced Iraqi forces in the 1990s when a U.S. and British no-fly zone was in place against Saddam Hussein, have managed to carved out an area of real autonomy.” — Read the statement from Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians, Azides, etc. Why do you leave all non-Muslims and non-Arabs out of this bigger picture of the Middle East, and constantly claim it is all “Arab land”????

            What is your cultural heritage, and whose land are you living on???

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why is the Ashkenazi at confirmed DNA of 99.9% European doing on land of “Islamists”?

          • peepsqueek

            When did Islam become the sole landlord of the Middle East?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Are you applying part of your hasbara training. I have my own style from here on. Anytime that you answer my question with your own question, I will proceed to answer my own question like this:

            ________
            DNA has certified that the Ashkenazi is as pure European as the come at a stunning 99.9% European ancestry with 0% Middle East ancestry. These Europeans to this day claim that they did not steal Palestine but took back what they consider their ancestral land. But at 0% ME ancestry, no Ashkenazi is descended from biblical Abraham or Jacob or anyone originating in the ME. Period! These your ordinary European colonial settler who arrived with a new twist: “coming back”. Now they must feel the shame as DNA has exposed them to be total frauds and impostors.

          • peepsqueek

            Do I smell a racist in the room? Jews are not a specific race, they are a people who have maintained a culture, an ancient text, traditions, rituals, language, and a historic homeland of cultural identity. Muslims are not a specific race, yet 57 Countries belong to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation at the UN General Assembly.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Does the white man (Ashkenazi) not claim Palestine to be his ancestral land?

          • peepsqueek

            Two Afro-British converts to Islam in England, a few years ago, slaughtered a British soldier and waited for the authorities to arrive. When the authorities arrived they said- this is for invading our lands (meaning Muslim lands). How did 57 Muslim Countries become their land by mere conversion to Islam? Do you have a balanced scale?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Do not embarrass yourself and act like you are retarded. It was a very simple question and you went to another topic … shame on you!

            Does the white man (Ashkenazi) not claim Palestine
            to be his ancestral land? YES OR NO?

          • Helen4Yemen

            I am still waiting for you to tell me another example of another people who claim to be ‘cultural descendants” of an unrelated people – and only because genetic science busted open their fraud of “coming back”?

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Do I smell a stinky fraud still trying to excuse crimes against humanity by ZioNazi thugs, who murder non-Zionist Jews by the millions by blocking their escape from Hitler?

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            You should take more baths. Your inveterate hate-spewing makes you smell like Menachem Begin’s underwear after joying himself at Deir Yassin.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            anwser: never.
            (for those Muslims guys)

          • peepsqueek

            Then why are they all called Muslim States and have to live under some form of Islamic Sharia? -Israel being the only tiny exception

          • Helen4Yemen

            This ‘Israel” was create by the white man for the white man.

            The Ashkenazi is totally and completely European.

            Don’t they have enough land in his ancestral land of Europe?

          • peepsqueek

            I many of your prior posts you make excuses for Europeans driving out the Jews based on Hitler’s superior race doctrine.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Show me …? The case of Hitler and the Ashkenazi is the case of one white man (Christian) vs. another white man (Jew) and we are not party to that discord – totally a European affair.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            99.9% of Europeans?
            Back it up if throw if you throw out these type of numbers.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Note: All Ashkenazi score a minimum of 99% European and as high as 99.9%

            Rabbi Hammerman DNA = 99.9% European, 0% Middle East
            97.2% Ashkenazi
            0.8% East European
            0.2% Southern European
            1.7% Broadly European
            0.1% Native American
            99.9% European

            http://joshuahammerman*blogspot*com/2016/12/we-are-all-people-of-color.html

            (replace * with dot)

          • peepsqueek

            What is your cultural heritage, and whose land are you living on?

            Jews are not a specific race, they are a people who have maintained a cultural identity, an ancient text, traditions, rituals, language, and a historic homeland as part of their cultural identity. Muslims are not a specific race, yet 57 Countries belong to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation at the UN General Assembly.

          • Helen4Yemen

            1. Why do you try to hide your shame now that genetic science has confirmed that Ashkenazi = 99.9% European and 0% Middle East. Why do you want to know about my private life, where I live, what my heritage is? How does that concern you. Stop changing the discussion to personal issues of the commentators.

            2-Jews are not a race? They do not claim that the are all the same descendants of Israelite? Are they?

            3- What culture identity does the Yemeni Jew share with a Lithuanian Jew except for religion. Care to mention one outside of religion such as music, dance, food, art, clothing … and so on?

            4- I have no idea what “ancient text” means? If you are referring to the OT, nobody knows when it was written.

            5- Language? What language? The Ashkenazi spoke Yiddish, Arab Jews spoke Arabic, Ethiopian Jews spoke Amharic. The way these white Europeans traded their Yiddish for Hebrew is totally strange. You adopting Hebrew is as strange if Indonesians were to abandon their native tongue and replace it with Arabic. The European Jews are very strange.

            6- What historic homeland can the Ashkenazi speak of since his homeland is really Europe at confirmed DNA of 99.9%. That is as European as one get – 99.9%

            7. Muslims are like Christians and Jews made up of different races.

            8. Why is the Ashkenazi at 99.9% European ancestry concerning with Islamic states and not European states where he is from?

          • peepsqueek

            “They do not claim that the are all the same descendants of Israelite? Are they?” -They can only claim to be cultural descendants, carrying on the same holidays, religious rituals, keeping the Sabbath, etc. Should every human being in the Middle East have to live under some form of Islamic Sharia????

          • Helen4Yemen

            “Cultural descendants”? It sounds weird. Give me another example where a people claim to be “Cultural descendants” of a genetically unrelated other people?

            Why is the white man (Ashkenazi) on that land and not back home in Lithuania, Poland, Russia, Slovakia …?

          • peepsqueek

            Again I smell a racist, as the Sudan (tribal Africa) claim to be an Arab and Muslim State. Morocco (Berber territory) claims to be an Arab and Muslim State. Iraq, once mostly Kurds, Assyrians, Armenians, Azides, claims to be an Arab and Muslim State. Egypt’s original in habitants are Coptic and Christian, but claim to be an Arab and Muslim State.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            What could be more a racist than am European ZioNazi thug claiming that it has the right to do genocidal country stealing against the indigenes of Palestine? You are foolishly using again the fundamental ZioNazi trick of accusing others, especially the victims, of doing what the ZioNazi thugs are doing.

          • peepsqueek

            I answered Helen’s question, and naturally you attempt to deflect unsuccessfully.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            So you admit that you ZioNazi thugs are the most savagely racist things on the planet. Good.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            No, but you are hiding from the fact that you ZioNazi thugs hate everybody. You murder Muslims, Christians, and Jews. You haven’t murdered Hindu, Sikhs, or Buddhists because you haven’t had the opportunity.

          • peepsqueek

            If you are going to resort to blatant ignorance, than have a good night, Tecum

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Do you deny that you ZioNazi thugs murder Jews, sometimes by the million?

      • peepsqueek

        I get your point, but what would be the best response to this humanitarian crisis? What should Western Europe do? Should they continue to clean up the mess that crosses into their waters, or should they go Machiavellian on the offending Countries?

        • Helen4Yemen

          Let the goddamned squatting Europeans now in Palestine go home and peace will begin to prevail in the region. On what ….-… basis do these European leeches think they are fit to live on stolen Arab land?

          • peepsqueek

            Where have you chosen to squat, Helen?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Immigration is not squatting. For example, the Lithuanian Jew in America is not squatting but he is in Palestine since he is a colonial settler. Know the difference between immigrants and colonial settlers.

          • peepsqueek

            Israel’s creation is not a colonization, but actually the impetus for the decolonialization of the entire Middle East, including a significant part of Arab [territories], following the fall of the Ottoman Empire. How many independent Arab States were there under 400 years of Ottoman rule?? Think about it for a minute?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why is it the white man’s (Ashkenazi) business how the indigenous people of the land choose to live their lives?

          • peepsqueek

            Most white men never had any business in the Middle East, did the Arab Islamic Empire have any business on how the other indigenous people of the Middle East and North Africa live their lives. Do you have a balanced scale?

          • Helen4Yemen

            How far is Lithuania from Palestine? The white man indeed traveled quite a distance from his ancestral land of Europe, did he not?

            You do not seem to get is that the white man now in Palestine is just another European colonial settler following the British, the French, the Italians and so on. Do you get it that Ashkenazi in Palestine = French in Algeria?

          • peepsqueek

            The only thing that separates Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East are a few miles of sea for a million years.

            Being white or non-white is not an issue for Middle Easterners, as Middle Easterners would probably prefer their own categories when asked to define themselves ethnicly. There are many ways Middle Easterners that identify as Phonecian, Levantine, Mediterranean, Gulfite, Aramean, Syriac, Maronite, Chaldean, Berber, Kurd, Copt, Assyrian, Turkmen, and Persians to name a few, and many of these will tell you they are not Arabs, most of which identify legally as white in the US and Europe.

          • Helen4Yemen

            And how many of these “white Arabs” score a stunning 99.9% European ancestry (Poland, Lithuania, Hungary …) as the Ashkenazi do?

            Alan Dershowitz DNA = 99.9% European

            Bill O’reilly DNA = 99.8% European

            Are Dershowitz and O’reilly both European and genetic cousins?

            Why does Dershowitz have the “right of return” to Palestine and not

            Bill O’reilly since they are both at ZERO % Middle East ancestry?

          • peepsqueek

            Because it is one tiny Jewish State in a sea of Islamic States, regardless of color.

          • Helen4Yemen

            It is not color! It is European vs. indigenous, it is predator vs. homeowner. How do the European predators believe they are entitled to even a square inch of Palestine? Don’t they have land where these Europeans are from, such as Lithuania?

          • peepsqueek

            Then go back where you came from! My white friends cannot just waltz into Europe and demand citizenship based on DNA.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Citizenship is never and should never be based on DNA. But the Ashkenazi’s main reason for stealing Palestine is because it is his ancestral land, was it not? Tell me what is the reason the Ashkenazi is in Palestine and not in Kenya or Argentina. His ancestral ties to all of them is 0%, is it not? Palestine is not his grandmother’s land, is it? What is the reason this European is on Arab land?

          • peepsqueek

            Israel is made up of Jews from all over the world, so why should they have to live under the banner of Islam?

          • Helen4Yemen

            It is not color! It is Mr. Goldberg and Mr. Bloomberg with a confirmed ancestry of European at 99.9% and 0% Middle East. What brings Mr. Goldberg to Palestine? It is not his grandmother’s land, is it? Was there ever a Mrs. Goldberg living on that land – ever in history?

          • peepsqueek

            And that is why you are going back where you came from??

          • Helen4Yemen

            Do I have my own flag, my own army, my own navy, my own government, my own police? Remember: The Ashkenazi in America is an immigrant but the Ashknazi in Palestine is a colonial settler.

          • peepsqueek

            Balfour Declaration of 1917; the San Remo resolution, the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel became an independent state in 1948; then Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949; and finally recognition of Israel by most other states means they are more than just settlers.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why was Arab land given to the Ashkenazi – who is of European ancestry at 99.9% and Middle East ancestry at 0%? Why not give a piece of his ancestral land in Lithuania?

          • peepsqueek

            Using a balanced scale, why was Aramean, Syriac, Maronite, Chaldean, Berber, Kurd, Copt, Assyrian, etc, land given to Arabs, to form Arab States, belong to the League of “Arab” Nations, and have to live under some form of Islamic Sharia?

          • Helen4Yemen

            1) Why is that the business of the European Ashkenazi?

            2) Where are these folks living? Right on their own territories? Were they shoved aside and displaced as the Ashkenazi did to the Palestinians when he inserted his lily-white-European-ass on Arab land?

          • peepsqueek

            You do not have to be of a particular color to use a balance scale when looking at the bigger picture.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You still are avoiding answering the question why was it that Europe did not allocate a piece of land for its Jews to erect a state?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Did any Ashkenazi’s grandma ever live in Palestine … going back all the way to time immemorial?

          • Helen4Yemen

            But the Ashkenazi most certainly hates the black color, does he not?

          • peepsqueek

            There are 57 declared Muslim States and one tiny Jewish State– Why not go to the one tiny Jewish State??

            How did 57 Countries become members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation?? Do you have a balanced scale?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The Ashkenazi is European and should not concern himself with Arab or Muslim states. There are more than 40 states in his homeland of Europe. Why not ask for a “sliver of land” on his own ancestral of Europe? What is the connection between Lithuanians and Palestine?

          • peepsqueek

            Europe has never been a Jewish homeland, as we see from history, they were never fully accepted or have the full right of self determination.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Do you understand English? The question was:

            Why does Dershowitz have the “right of return” to Palestine and not Bill O’reilly since they are both equally at ZERO % Middle East ancestry?

          • peepsqueek

            Palestine is a geographical area on the map. Israel is Jewish State, a Jewish homeland, where Jews have the full right of self determination.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Never heard of a case where people go thousands of miles to an area that does not belong to them, forcefully seize the land and expel the people and then call it “self-determination. The Ashkenazi are European and they have every right to demand land in Europe. As it is, what you call “self-determination” is actual colonialism.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            You are being stupidly mendacious again. The Muslims out of the Peninsula didn’t do genocide or ethnic cleansing in Palestine like the Zionist barbarians of the 20th century. They simply replaced the Byzantines at the top of the power pyramid, leaving the peasants, or Fellahin, still holding their land. Over the centuries the peasants gradually absorbed Arab culture, even identity and religion.

            Palestinians have been in Palestine continuously for over ten thousand years under many names, rulers, and religions, far longer than anything called Jewish even existed, including the last two thousand years, when the invader European ZioNazis certainly weren’t, if ever. The Palestinians included also the ones who were the ancient Jews, before they converted to Christianity, before they converted to Islam and called themselves Arabs. The European Ashkenazi invaders never saw Palestine until modern times.

        • disqusdamnuserid

          I choose Machiavellian. But know there are consequences (terrorism/immigrtion/refugees) of taking actions in the ME.

    • Helen4Yemen

      The problem in the ME is directly as a result of the unwanted Europeans seizing Arab land.

      • peepsqueek

        There are 22 independent Arab States, and the biggest problem is between Muslims and Muslims. The problem for non-Muslims and non-Arabs in the Middle East is staying out of the way of sectarian conflicts, that have been going on for thousands of years.

        Question: How did all of the Middle East and North Africa become “Arab” land???

        • Helen4Yemen

          There are more than 40 European states where the Ashkenazi is from. His state should have been on his own ancestral land of Europe where 99% of his DNA comes from.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            Jews are not inherently from Europe. There was an original outside source, i.e ME – via ancient Roman period.

          • Helen4Yemen

            90% of world Jewry is of European ancestry at a level of 99.9% confirmed my DNA!


            Alan Dershowitz DNA
            98. 5% Ashkenazi
            0.4% Southern European
            0.1% Balkan
            0.9% Broadly European
            0.1% East Asian
            99.9% European

            0.0% Middle Eastern

          • Helen4Yemen

            “via ancient Roman period” is a myth as DNA has traced the ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry to Poland, Hungary, Lithuania … at a stunning level of 99.9% and 0% to the Middle East.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            How the heck is that possible? Jews are ORIGINALLY from ME.
            Ashkenazi Jews are hybrids – formed in part due to interbreeding with European DNA.
            There is the DNA from the male side and the female side.
            Genetics have traced the male side to a source from ME. When there is a ‘inter-racial'(?) marriage, the Poland/Hungary/Lithuania of the female is introduced. Viola. Askenazi.

        • disqusdamnuserid

          ….and because it had been going on for hundred of years prior to Mohammad’s time, he wanted to unify. But it’s gotten into a more intense escalation between the two fractions within Islam who believe is the true inherited leader.

      • disqusdamnuserid

        Arab land is relatively new concept. Arabs were restricted to a small area in Saudi Arabia, until you know who expanded and invaded by imposing his will onto the indigenous people of that entire area we call ME.

        • Helen4Yemen

          Did the Arabs replace the indigenous peoples of North Africa and the Middle East – or did they just come to spread Islam? The people of Libya, Morocco, etc are still the same people, are they not? The people of North Africa and the Middle East are now Arabs as Americans are Americans, do you get that? And are you trying to justify white Europeans stealing Palestine?

          • peepsqueek

            Libya and Morocco are Berbers. Berber, self-name Amazigh, plural Imazighen, any of the descendants of the pre-Arab inhabitants of North Africa. The Berbers live in scattered communities across Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Mali, Niger, and Mauretania. They speak various Amazigh languages belonging to the Afro-Asiatic family related to Ancient Egyptians.

          • Helen4Yemen

            And how does that concern the WHITE MAN

            (the Ashkenazi of Europe)?

          • peepsqueek

            Nice dodge, Helen!

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            But you didn’t answer her question, so obviously you are the one dodging.

          • peepsqueek

            Why don’t you ask the tall white, blue-eyed President Assad or the half British King Abdullah.
            Being white or non-white is not an issue for Middle Easterners, as Middle Easterners would probably prefer their own categories when asked to define themselves ethnicly. There are many ways Middle Easterners identify — Phonecian, Levantine, Mediterranean, Gulfite, Aramean, Syriac, Maronite, Chaldean, Berber, Kurd, Copt, Assyrian, Turkmen, and Persians to name a few, and many of these will tell you they are not Arabs, most of which identify legally as white in the US and Europe.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            So now we get a confused yammer from the ZioNazi troll that still doesn’t deal with the question:

            And how does that concern the WHITE MAN

            (the Ashkenazi of Europe)?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Do you think Assad’s DNA will match that of Dershowitz at 99.9% European ancestry (Poland, Lithuania…)

            The same way Americans identify as Chinese, Mexican, Irish, Scottish, and so on? They are still all Americans! You are doing the ODED YINON Plan of finding ways to divide the indigenous people of the land. Go back to Lithuania and do it on your own land.

          • peepsqueek

            No! Islamism, sectarian violence, terrorism, and dictators are dividing the land, and are still fighting age old conflicts. It does not matter what Assad’s DNA is, he will murder far more good Muslims in the Middle East than all your pointing of fingers at the Jews.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            The spread of Islam – the spread of religious doctrine, and not the people (ie Arabs).

          • peepsqueek

            They replaced them by sheer numbers, replaced their beliefs and laws, replaced their languages, etc. Libya and Morocco were never Arab or Arab Countries until they were invaded.

            To repeat: Tripolitania (Tripoli, Libya) was Roman between 146 BC and 670 AD. The Latin name Libya at the time referred to the continent of Africa in general. The Romans brought civilization. Tripoli is from Tripolitania. For more than 400 years, Tripolitania and Cyrenaica were wealthy Roman provinces and part of a cosmopolitan state whose citizens shared a common language, legal system, and Roman identity. Later came the Arab/Muslim invaders.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Let’s us say what you are saying is true, how does that justify the conquest of Palestine by Euro-Jewry?

          • peepsqueek

            Are you implying that this history is possibly not be true? As far as the conquest of Palestine, the geographical area has had a long history of conquests, however European and other Jews have been pushing for an independent state for a long time, a place of safety and refuse around their holiest City of Jerusalem. They did not push the whole Middle East or even all of the geographical area of Palestine. It was part of the great division of powers after WWI. Do you really believe after the formation of 22 independent Arabs states, that Jews would be denied, and hand over all of Palestine for Arabs to form a 23rd Arab Nation? Which always brings up back to the balance scale.

          • Helen4Yemen

            When you say “the Jews”, are you referring to Lithuanian, Russian, Polish, Hungarian …Jews?

          • peepsqueek

            Jews as a collective people who have maintained an religious philosophy, an ancient text, traditions, rituals, a language, and a historic homeland with its holiest City since ancient times, before the creation of Christianity and Islam.

          • Helen4Yemen

            A language? Yiddish?

            What is the meaning of “historic homeland”?

            Is Saudi Arabia the “historic homeland” of Indonesian Muslims. Why have you not gotten rid of your delusion after genetic science confirmed that not one Ashkenazi Jew has even a tiny trace of genetic link to the ME? What are your waiting for? For god to come down and tell you to your face. Do you doubt DNA?

          • peepsqueek

            The Torah is written in Hebrew, the Gospels are written in Greek, and the Qur’an is written in Arabic. DNA is real science, and there no longer any guesswork in DNA. What makes a Jew, Christian, or Muslim? Your problem is in using it for political reasons and to decide where people are allowed to settle and build a nation. I am of mixed race and cultural heritage, as are most Americans today. Are you going to tell me and others where we have to live and vote and pay taxes or build a nation?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Your attempt to confuse issues will not work. Immigrants are not colonial settlers. The case of US, Canada, Australia are closed chapters in history. The case of the Ashkenazi in Palestine is like the French in Algeria. After squatting for over 100 years, the French were shown the way home. Tell me how the Ashkenazi differs from the French in Algeria?

            The Ashkenazi connection to Palestine is no different from that of the Christians. If there is a difference, tell me.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            How about an example:

            Liberia – the American freed slaves where given the choice to leave for West Africa to what is now Liberia. It’s capital is called Monroeville (after the US president). Now remember many American slaves had been in America for generations and yet they did go back.

            Ashkenazi Jews are the same. Although they are an admixture race/group.

          • Helen4Yemen

            1. I do not know about Liberia but the African slaves were thrown back to Africa once they were not slaves for the white Americans. And how do they “go back” to Liberia if they originally came from Nigeria?

            2. The Ashkenazi are totally purebred European, as purebred as the Scandinavian. The Ashkenazi score a minimum of 99% European and 0% Middle Eastern.

            https://disqus*com/home/discussion/channel-semite/ashkenazi_dna/

            (replace * with dot)

          • Helen4Yemen

            And where did Abraham originate? In Ur – present day Iraq right? immigrated to Haran – present day Turkey, right, and finally god gave them Palestine? Why? Are the original “Israelite” genetically Iraqis?

          • Helen4Yemen

            And the reason for no reply to this comment?
            ___
            And where did Abraham originate? In Ur – present day Iraq right? immigrated to Haran – present day Turkey, right (600 miles), and finally god gave them Palestine 400 miles way from Haran, right? How did they travel all those 1,000 miles? On donkeys? Why did god give these “Iraqis” land that did not belong to them? Are the original “Israelite” genetically Iraqis?

          • disqusdamnuserid

            Abraham? Is he even real?
            Don’t use the bible as the source of his existence.
            (or I will use Spiderman being real as he exists in DC comics – or is it Marvel comics?)

          • Helen4Yemen

            Palestine is not the land of any Ashkenazi’s gradma, is it?

            He could settle in his ancestral land of Europe. Period.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Who are the indigenous people of Palestine, where are they now, what do they look like, how many of them are there?

          • peepsqueek

            Mark Twain— 
By all reckoning, the Jews should have died out long ago. Their survival as a distinct people is a miracle of history. You cannot talk to a Babylonian today, nor a Hittite. You will not meet a Moabite or a Phoenician on the street. But you can converse with a Jew.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Mark Twain: Concerning the Jews

            Mark Twain : For the like reasons Spain had to banish him four hundred years ago, and Austria about a couple of centuries later. In all the ages Christian Europe has been obliged to curtail his activities. If he entered upon a mechanical trade, the Christian had to retire from it. If he set up as a doctor, he was the best one, and he took the business. If he exploited agriculture, the other farmers had to get at something else. Since there was no way to successfully compete with him in any vocation, the law had to step in and save the Christian from the poor-house.
            Mark Twain : Why blacks and whites detested hime: In the cotton States, after the war, the simple and ignorant negroes made the crops for the white planter on shares. The Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the negro’s wants on credit, and at the end of the season was proprietor of the negro’s share of the present crop and of part of his share of the next one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew, and it is doubtful if the negro loved him.
            Mark Twain : Why England had to banish him: In the dull and ignorant England of John’s time everybody got into debt to the Jew. He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his hands; he was the king of commerce; he was ready to be helpful in all profitable ways; he even financed crusades for the rescue of the Sepulchre. To wipe out his account with the nation and restore business to its natural and incompetent channels he had to be banished the realm.
            Mark Twain : Why his hands got atrophied: Still, almost bereft of employments, he found ways to make money, even ways to get rich. Also ways to invest his takings well, for usury was not denied him. In the hard conditions suggested, the Jew without brains could not survive, and the Jew with brains had to keep them in good training and well sharpened up, or starve. Ages of restriction to the one tool which the law was not able to take from him – his brain – have made that tool singularly competent; ages of compulsory disuse of his hands have atrophied them, and he never uses them now.
            Mark Twain : The exploiter: The Jew is being legislated out of Russia. The reason is not concealed. The movement was instituted because the Christian peasant and villager stood no chance against his commercial abilities. He was always ready to lend money on a crop, and sell vodka and other necessaries of life on credit while the crop was growing. When settlement day came he owned the crop; and next year or year after he owned the farm, like Joseph.
            Mark Twain : Trade after trade was taken away from the Jew by statute till practically none was left. He was forbidden to engage in agriculture; he was forbidden to practise law; he was forbidden to practise medicine, except among Jews; he was forbidden the handicrafts. Even the seats of learning and the schools of science had to be closed against this tremendous antagonist.
            Mark Twain : Speaking of concentration, Dr. Herzl has a clear insight into the value of that. Have you heard of his plan? He wishes to gather the Jews of the world together in Palestine, with a government of their own – under the suzerainty of the Sultan, I suppose. At the Convention of Berne, last year, there were delegates from everywhere, and the proposal was received with decided favor. I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world were going to be made in a free country (bar Scotland), I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let the race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride any more. (Mark Twain: Concerning The Jews, Harper’s Magazine, March, 1898)

          • peepsqueek

            It was mainly because of “Letter from Earth” which criticized Christianity and they prohibited the selling of this book until many year later. And Mark Twain was a defender of Jews and blacks which created an issue as well. Did you read what he said about Islam or Christians?

            “One of his principle religions is called the Christian. A sketch of it will interest you. It sets forth in detail in a book containing two million words, called the Old and New Testaments. Also it has another name — The Word of God. For the Christian thinks every word of it was dictated by God — the one I have been speaking of.
            It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.”

          • Helen4Yemen

            Haha! Mark Twain calls the Jews the exploiters, they used all their tricks to own what the poor black peasants produced. Did he not?

          • peepsqueek

            What is your point, that white Christians are absolved of the condition of blacks in the south. Or that Muslims were not involved in slave trading for fifteen hundred years? Your problem is in using a balanced scale when looking at Twains limited experience at the time.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Theodore Herzl : You know that in some lands the Jewish problem has come to mean calamity for the government. If it sides with the Jews, it is confronted by the ire of the masses; if it sides against the Jews, it may call disagreeable economic consequences down upon its head because of the peculiar influence of the Jews upon the business affairs of the world. Examples of the latter may be met with in Russia.. — Theodor Herzl’s Opening Address to the First Zionist Congress –(August 1897)

            Tell me how Jews can bring nations down via economic strangulation?

          • disqusdamnuserid

            Euro Jewry were going back to their ancestral land. Although the acreage of land that was their is debatable. Hence, the current situation and the purpose of this MEM site.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            The issue of the ethnicity in the ME is tricky one.

            I will grant you that the indigenous people may not have totally been replaced by Arabs (i.e. by Saudis and the bedouins). But there is no doubt that when you invade, there will be admixture of ethnicity, correct?

      • peepsqueek

        How did the entire Middle East and North Africa become “Arab Land” ???

        • Helen4Yemen

          Note: “fellahin” is referring to the Palestinian farmers.

          David Ben-Gurion – 1918: “The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century CE. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement.”

          David Ben-Gurion- 1918: “Even in their former habitations the Arabs did not engage in farming…their whole interest in the new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam, and to collect taxes…the Jewish farmer, like any other farmer, was not easily torn from his soil…Despite the repression and suffering the rural population remained unchanged.”

          Itzhak Ben-Zvi – 1929: “The great majority of the fellahin do not descend from the Arab conquerors but before that, from the Jewish fellahin, who were the foundation of this country before its conquest by Islam.”

          Benny Morris: “The vast majority of Arabs who live in Palestine originated in Palestine, ‘originated’ meaning they have been living in Palestine for hundreds of years.”

          Translation: The Arabs did not expel the natives of the land and take their place, they did not settle on the land, they were there only to convert the people into Islam, therefore, the current Palestinian population are the descendants of those who were already there before the arrival of the Arabs. The Palestinian Jews (who later converted to Christianity and then to Islam) never left their land nor were they replaced by the Arabs. The Arabs did not come to settle on the land but rather “to rule, to propagate Islam, and to collect taxes”. The Jewish farmers were attached to their land. “was not easily torn from his soil” and the current Palestinians are in fact the descendants of the people who were already there on that land before the arrival of the Arabs.

          • peepsqueek

            These are not absolute points of history. Why don’t you just quote their contemporary Hitler, who said that Jews were an inferior semitic race that did not belong in Europe. It goes better with your racial politics.

            You can argue this point for eternity but the fact remains that every modern country in the world is an amalgam of conquered or absorbed people.

          • Helen4Yemen

            At 99.9% European ancestry and 0% Middle Eastern, explain to me how the Rabbi can be Semitic and not European?

            Rabbi Hammerman DNA

            97.2% Ashkenazi
            0.8% East European
            0.2% Southern European
            1.7% Broadly European
            0.1% Native American
            99.9% European

      • disqusdamnuserid

        Europeans are no longer there.
        (I know you’ll bring up the Askanazi Jews. But plz don’t)

    • disqusdamnuserid

      “Romans brought civilization?” Romans were relatively new comers to the area of a civilized nation status. The Mid East, as we know are the “Cradle of Civilization”.

      • peepsqueek

        For new comers, they brought with law and order, roads, medicine, architecture, sanitation, aqueducts, etc, etc, while people in the Holy Land did not live very long and had every kind of known disease.

        • disqusdamnuserid

          They brought new innovations in urban engineering.
          As for people in the Holy Land not living long, I assume the conditions might have been the same in ancient Rome as well.

          • peepsqueek

            Wars and plagues aside, why would Romans not live longer based on having better food, providing clean water to much of the empire, more advanced medicine, and much better hygiene practices?

          • disqusdamnuserid

            If you compare Romans to the rest of barbarian Europe, then, yes. Romans had better standard of living.
            But if you compare Roman city and it’s inhabitants, and compare that to the middle east people, then I would say there is not that much of a disparity between the two.

          • peepsqueek

            I just gave you a starter list above. There are many books documenting how advanced the Roman civilization was for its time. Although human nature always remains the same and its leaders could have made some better decisions at times, if not for greed and power that has affected leaders since the beginning of time.

  • nina roberts

    Why are the Soros funded NGO ships bringing the migrants to Europe? Why don’t they take them back to Libya?

    • peepsqueek

      To your questions: First answer, race and political manipulating. Second, they will die in Libya if brought back. they are hald dead when they arrive in Europe. The question is– Why are so many black African Muslims not going to Muslim Counties? There are 57 declared Muslim States at the United Nations.

      18 Years ago, when I was in East Africa, I met with escaped slaves from the Sudan, who were given shelter and aid at a Christian charity in Malindi, The port of Malindi, on the East Coast of Kenya was used for slave trading for 1500 years. I visited ancient mosques from the tenth century that were used for prayer during this slave trade. My point is that no one has a clean history, but this is the 21st Century, and no one cannot undo all the injustices of history. Kenya now has had to create a barrier between itself and Somalia to slow down terrorism is the name of Islam.

      • Helen4Yemen

        How then do you explain the peaceful coexistence between the Muslims and Christians of East Africa spanning many centuries? Compare that to Europe where it could not rest unless it did a total genocide of its Jews … and Palestine seems to have served as the Final Solution for Europe to remove its Jewry.

        • peepsqueek

          You are confused. Christians, Jews, and Muslims could coexist during those centuries if Jews and Christians took a lower status. And you seem to be an admirer of Hitler’s final solution.

          After your hero got 60 million Europeans killed and after leaving a devastated Germany, Hitler was right to shoot himself in the head. Five million Germans starved to death in occupied Germany after the war, and another two million died in labor camps. Millions of Germans died as a result of ethnic cleansing carried out by, Russians, Poles, Czechs, and Serbs according to the former German Prime Minister Konrad Adenauer. And you couch it as ‘Europe could not rest unless it did a total genocide of its Jews’??

          Or maybe you were just referring to Hitler’s “superior race” doctrine.

          Or maybe it was Hitler’s “No retreat” order. This was Hitler’s biggest stupidity in Russia and one of the biggest military blunders of all time, and ultimately costing the lives of 2 million Germans.

          • disqusdamnuserid

            Europe’s Immigration plan is a FAILED EXPERIMENT.

            Immigration has to be controlled. There is a need for time to have the immigrants assimilate, but still keep their cultural identity (to a degree).

        • disqusdamnuserid

          What specific centuries are you referring to?

  • Chris Shiherlis

    Libya is not safe? But these migrants are all sub Saharan blacks. Send them back to the African countries they came from.

    • Helen4Yemen

      “sub Saharan blacks”? I have a feeling you have a hierarchy of classes of people based on the color-line and yours of course being the best of them all.

      • peepsqueek

        He was only repeating what you have said about Jews and Europeans. Its like looking in the mirror Helen. and you do not like what you see.

        Under Gaddafi, Libya was the drop off point for of Sub Saharan Africans for forced labor and sexual exploitation in the Middle East, and that was only a few years ago. There are numerous articles documenting this. Somehow, you want people to believe that Europeans own racism.

        • Helen4Yemen

          What has any of your statements go to do with the Ashknazi at confirmed DNA of 99.9% European (i.e. purebred European) squattig on Arab land?

          • peepsqueek

            There is one tiny Jewish State in which all Jews are welcome. There are 57 declared Muslim States. Do you have a balanced scale?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Why can’t the European (Ashkenazi) erect his state on his ancestral land of Europe?

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Not true. The bigot ZioNazi Tugdom would rather have white Russian Christians pretending to be Jewish rather than Jews who are black.

          • peepsqueek

            What are you and what are you pretending to be? What is your cultural heritage, and whose land are you living on, Mr. Hypocrite? The readers are sure not to get an honest answer from you.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Now the mendacious ZioNazi troll wants to deflect back hundreds of years to draw attention against the evil ZioNazi crime factory erected in violently seized and abused Palestine! See? Totally shame are the ZioNazis and their de-brained trolls!

          • Helen4Yemen

            How is your reply connected to what he said about the colonial state

            “would rather have white Russian Christians pretending to be Jewish rather than Jews who are black.”

            Is it not true that the Zionist entity do not want black Jews arriving there?

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          You are yammering ZioNazi propaganda again. Who made that up for you?

      • Chris Shiherlis

        I think you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you really are.

    • disqusdamnuserid

      From what i observed when watching these refugees/immigrants on the news, most are young Africans/ME men.
      These are not type we would want our sympathies to go out to.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Because they are the wrong color?

  • PattyFromTexas

    The solution to this refugee crisis lies in ending the policies that create refugees in the first place. Policies that include regime change, and bombing their homes.

    • disqusdamnuserid

      Creating turmoil in the Mid East, by the West, is part of the immigration/refugee problem. Is it a surprise that now we see a huge exodus of immigrants/refugees from these war torn countries?
      A better solution is to vet them even more closely; and at the same time, maintain a certain ‘tolerable’ immigration levels so that there is no huge influx of immigrants/refugees.
      We cannot import negative baggage these people bring over – to say the least. They could create the same schism here in the West if we are not careful.

      • Helen4Yemen

        What “schism”?

        • disqusdamnuserid

          who else. shia vs sunni.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Furiously promoted by the ZioNazi cult and its evil allies.

  • Helen4Yemen

    The problem in the ME started when Europe conspired to do its Final Solution and shipped the Jews it did not want to Arab land.

    The Iraq war and ‘Greater Israel

    Here is from Ari Shavit – Haaretz – March 4, 2003

    “In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them JEWISH, almost all of them intellectuals people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history
    a partial list:

    Richard Perle,
    Paul Wolfowitz,
    Douglas Feith,
    William Kristol,
    Eliot Abrams,
    Charles Krauthammer”

    • disqusdamnuserid

      Most Jews fled, not exported. Most Jews went to Israel to help build their new founded state.

      • Helen4Yemen

        You must first tell me how Lithuanians, German, Russians, Hungarians who call themselves Jews got entitled to that piece of land they now call “Israel”? What is their claim to that land based on?

      • Helen4Yemen

        They fled towards a piece of Arab land where they intend to erect a state?

      • TecumsehUnfaced

        No, not true.

        The smarter and more decent ones went to America. Only those okay with doing genocidal country stealing for the Rothschild super thugs went to Palestine.

        • disqusdamnuserid

          whatever.
          Jews of course went where ever they could.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            But the ZioNazi thugs are international criminals that hate and kill everybody. They even murdered millions of Europe’s non-Zionist Jews by blocking their escape from Hitler to other countries. They are very evil people.

            Sacrificing Europe’s Jews

            The correlative to the acts of collaboration with the Nazis throughout the 1930’s was that when attempts to change the immigration laws of the United States and Western Europe were contemplated in order to provide token refuge for persecuted Jews of Europe, it was the Zionists who actively organized to stop these efforts.

            Ben Gurion informed a meeting of Labor Zionists in Great Britain in 1938: “If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative.” [84] This obsession with colonizing Palestine and overwhelming the Arabs led the Zionist movement to oppose any rescue of the Jews facing extermination, because the ability to deflect select manpower to Palestine would be impeded. From 1933 to 1935, the WZO turned down two-thirds of all the German Jews who applied for immigration certificates.

            Berel Katznelson, editor of the Labor Zionist Davar, described the “cruel criteria of Zionism”: German Jews were too old to bear children in Palestine, lacked trades for building a Zionist colony, didn’t speak Hebrew and weren’t Zionists. In place of these Jews facing extermination the WZO brought to Palestine 6,000 trained young Zionists from the United States, Britain and other safe countries. Worse than this, the WZO not merely failed to seek any alternative for the Jews facing the Holocaust, the Zionist leadership opposed belligerently all efforts to find refuge for fleeing Jews.

            As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the US Congress proposed to set up a commission to “study” the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principal American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.

            This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in US immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge. He stated:

            It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference … It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws.[85].

            ->https://www.marxists.ORG/history/etol/document/mideast/hidden/ch06.htm

          • Fasdunkle

            You really are a very strange person

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Knowing history is strange to you? Could that be because you belong to the cult of the blind Zionists?

          • Fasdunkle

            Your grasp of history is utterly laughable

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            I see. You are a very sad case of total absorption into the ZioNazi cult.

          • Fasdunkle

            Ah, so that’s where you get your “history” from

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            I knew that a (nearly?) dark one out of the ZioNazi cult wouldn’t have the wits to shut up.

            Child-killing sociopaths of Israel

            By Kevin Barrett on August 1, 2014

            What is wrong with Israelis?

            Every time Israel embarks on a new round of wholesale slaughter in Gaza, polls show that more than 90% of Israelis support the butchery.

            For Israelis, mass-murdering children is a spectator sport. When the IDF starts dropping cluster bombs, white phosphorous, DIME munitions and other horrendous weapons on Gaza, crowds of Israelis pack the hilltops to barbecue meat, drink alcohol and cheer as they watch Palestinian children being blown to bits.

            Every day in Israel’s major cities, mobs of Israelis gather to hunt down and brutalize Arab children and teenagers. Police stand by as they beat their victims into unconsciousness. According to Israeli blogger Elizabeth Tsurkov, the mobs’ favorite chant is: “Tomorrow there’s no school in Gaza, they don’t have any children left.”

            Israelis proudly tweet their desire to murder children: “Kill Arab children so there won’t be a next generation,” “Stinking Arabs may you die, amen,” and “Arabs may you be paralyzed and die with great suffering” are some representative tweets exposed by Israeli journalist David Sheen.

            ->http://www.veteranstoday.COM/2014/08/01/sociopaths/

          • Fasdunkle

            Kevin Barrett and Veterans Today – those are your sources? Hilarious.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Typical ZioNazi. When it can’t refute, it smears the messenger, while it giggles maniacally.

            Jewish American Activist Beaten by IDF & Police
            ->https://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=VfMAFkgpRVg

            Israelis torturing non-Jewish children. Australian documentary film. Viewer discretion.
            ->https://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=iqL048x4msM

            Israel kills Palestinians , Courage here هنا الشجاعه
            ->https://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=3G0P2QBkT6w

            Occupation 101- Palestine VS Israel
            ->https://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=1gTQZVfH16M

            Israeli Checkpoint Cruelty
            ->https://youtu.BE/QorJMPtz1Fw

            Officer Points Loaded Weapon into Face of Palestinian
            ->https://youtu.BE/xEmQVxfgIzw

            The daily humiliation of Palestinians at Israeli checkpoint
            ->https://youtu.BE/_nQB7LbXjAM

            This is why Palestinians hate Israel : you won’t see this on Zionist owned media
            ->https://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=E23jXF_Naf4

          • Fasdunkle

            lol, your sources are hilarious

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            More maniacal giggling! Never any refutations. The poor ‘Fasdunkle’ thing can’t find any.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Note: The Ashkenazi DNA traces straight to Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia, Hungary … at a stunning rate of 99.9% and 0% to the Middle East. The game is over, the “coming back” fraud is over, these are predatory European colonial setters, make no mistake about it.

    HARRY KATZ: WE THE ASHKENAZI ARE TOTALLY EUROPEAN

    “But I see no genetic evidence for our (Askenazic) roots in the Middle East, and I disagree with you that there are major similarities between the DNA of the Ashkenazim and Sepharadim. The origin of the Ashkenazim is not resolved at all. All I know is that it is a very isolated, restricted gene pool with little evidence of DNA infusions from other Europeans. The Ashkenazim are not a hybrid group, but the purest “white European group outside of Scandinavia, perhaps.”

    Harry Katz’s actual DNA report (99% European)

    https://www*ancestry*com/dna/ethnicity/E59C79DB-8EFC-4051-9878-5E78B6DFE86D/share/e3f7a96f-3e0f-4aa2-8b42-6a50874ce6f8/9cc5e907-5c6c-4572-95f2-1992625918dc

    (replace * with dot)

  • Helen4Yemen

    BENNY MORRIS:

    _ “The revised book is a double-edged sword. It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah [the pre-state defense force that was the precursor of the IDF] were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.
    _ In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg.”
    _ In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field – they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village – she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.
    _ “The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.
    _ “That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.”
    _ One of the revelations in the book is that on October 31, 1948, the commander of the Northern Front, Moshe Carmel, issued an order in writing to his units to expedite the removal of the Arab population. Carmel took this action immediately after a visit by Ben-Gurion to the Northern Command in Nazareth. There is no doubt in my mind that this order originated with Ben-Gurion. Just as the expulsion order for the city of Lod, which was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, was issued immediately after Ben-Gurion visited the headquarters of Operation Dani [July 1948].”
    _ “From April 1948, Ben-Gurion is projecting a message of transfer. There is no explicit order of his in writing, there is no orderly comprehensive policy, but there is an atmosphere of [population] transfer. The transfer idea is in the air. The entire leadership understands that this is the idea. The officer corps understands what is required of them. Under Ben-Gurion, a consensus of transfer is created.”
    _ “Of course Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist.”
    _ “Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here.”
    _ That is what Zionism faced. A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads.